ShadowsFortune says:

Edit: I’m an idiot, they nerfed mana usage for skills, but i’m still mad that they nerfed mana gain.

They want LuCiel to rely on the Combo Gauge? Sure KoG, LuCiel is 100% fucking vulnerable when i’m charging.

Meseki says:

Passive MP regeneration is not required to be a good PvE character; or is VC a bad PvE character? EM’s Meditation has a long cooldown, and is more like an MP potion on a skill slot instead of an item slot; it’s not as big of a deal as you say it is (especially in PvE, where potions can be used). Her passive MP regain was also nerfed last week; it should only be 3.45 MP per second at max now (and that much requires giving up the 10% cooldown reduction passive, apparently).

Also, you’re judging a character at first job change. That means class modifiers, which may be able to boost equipment attack/defense by 10-20%, are not applied yet. It also means that the character is missing around one-third of their skills, which could include game-changing skills/passives (just look at old MM with Install switching, VC with Ignition Crow, Asura’s old Fox Fire/Suppression, etc.).

Maybe they actually have learned enough to realize that every new character being pretty much top tier is ruining the game. A character should not have to be amazing in order for someone to like using them. More characters need to have actual flaws.

Baconater says:

Nice to meet you again.
Let’s do the same thing we did last time, shall we?

“Did they just nerf LuCiel’s MP gain?”
Yes. And it still isn’t enough. Whenever you have a secondary resource that you can gain by literally standing there, there is a problem. It becomes a major problem when your opponent can’t even pressure you to delete said resource(which you can at least do with Chung via Ammo and Non-DE Add via DP).

“You should see already KoG that NOBODY plays Luciel, and now you’re just nerfing LuCiel, just so you can reduce the playerbase probably?”
KoG is trying to reduce the player base of the newly released character that can potentially give them x2 the money they would from a normal one?
I don’t think that’s a good idea.

“I can’t believe this shit, LuCiel relies on their MP”
Lu/Ciel relies on switching to fill the combination gauge to then use a 300 MP burst. Special Actives only get the job done faster.

“because their skill damage is shit”
I’ll remind you of the 2.2k~ Free Active known as Soul Trigger and it’s alternate 1.6k~ Active known as Surge of Souls and the 5.4k~ Instant Kill Effect Special Active known as Oblivion.
I don’t think that classifies as “shitty damage”

“they can’t catch”
Stomp says hi
Prey Chaser says hi
>>^ZX says hi
These are all base tools.
Stop playing as Ciel in the neutral game.

“Dead Hands MP Usage increased?”
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It was decreased from 125 to 100. It’s damage was adjusted to the MP it uses.

“What the fuck KoG, we don’t need that, we only needed it for the Encroaching fear debuff, but nope obviously you had to go and do that. ”
Why are you complaining about a lower MP cost?????

” BASICALLY, THEY NERFED LUCIELS MANA-GAIN, AND THEN JUST THREW IN MORE MP NEEDED TO USE SKILLS.”
No.
They nerfed Lu/Ciel’s In-Active Mana Regen and then lowered the costs of all but Oblique of Marbas(rip) and Combination Skills.
It allows you to chain more Special Actives to fill up the Combination Gauge quicker and then use the 0 MP.
It also encourages you to find skill chains and use both characters, the original concept of a duo character.

“Am i supposed to fucking run now in PvP because i can’t get enough mana?”
No, though it is an option. You do like you do with any other character. Actually hit your opponent to gain sufficient MP.

“It’s already enough i can’t catch anyone with these fucking tiny ass hitboxes on these skills”
LOOOOOOOOL
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

“tiny hitboxes”
Oh man, that was great. Sorry about that little bout of unprofessionalism. Anyways, I suggest you play more as Lu if you think Lu/Ciel has “tiny hitboxes”.

” Oblivion isn’t the best either considering it doesn’t always kill the enemy, and the hitbox is too fucking tiny.”
Is it supposed to always kill the enemy? Are they supposed to have an instant-win button? Oblivion is a skill you used to guarantee a finish. That’s it. For the small hitbox part, I believe that is what they fixed with Ciel. Also, NOTHING that takes up at least a quarter of the screen is a “small hitbox”.

“I’m really pissed, i was hoping for a buff, but the MP gain nerf really pisses me off, 15MP > 6MP in PvE? Are you kidding me? Everyone would just clear the damn map while you wait for your MP to charge”
Have you not heard of Mana Potions? Those things the rest of the cast use?

“LuCiels damage is fucking terrible”
Gee, it’s almost as if they should have another job advancement! Oh wait…

“and you throw in a little damage increase and top it off with more mana used””
A. You have no clue how much the damage was increased by. Do not spout negative speculation when you don’t even have the percentages.
B. Every single skill that had an MP cost to begin with with the exception of Oblique of Marbas and Demonic Breath had their MP cost lowered.

” Look at aisha meditation, she fucking gains 14/15MP per second, stacked with her 5MP gain from standing skill, and KoG doesn’t do shit.”
EM is also one of the most mana hungry characters in this game. Treating 200-300 MP Specials as if they were actives. It’s fairly justified. As well as this, they DID do something. Mainly, lowering her damage.

” look she also has defense due to mana shield”
Additional Damage exists.

“LUCIEL HAS NOTHING”
Hmmmmmmm?
It’s almost as if they should job advance a second time!
Maybe then they’d get the necessary skills to stand up to others!
/s
If you’d like, I could also provide a list of what they DO have. Just to name a few things:
-An absurd amount of 0 KD normals
-The ability to have a seperate MP bar in reserve
-The ability to store a 300 MP that you can’t do anything about
-A KD reset via Ciel
-Mobility better than all other melee characters
Oh, and these are all at Base Job.

“Add can gain mana from abusing hamel SD armor, due to spam awakening and KoG DOES NOTHING.”
It has a cooldown of 30 seconds. In said 30 seconds, LuCiel would have gained a collective total of 120 MP.
I guess they should do something about that, by your words.

“But Luciel has fucking nothing, i literally did 60 PVP matches and only saw 1 or 2 Luciels, all i saw was: EM,IS,RS,CrA,DiE,LP,GM,WS”
Hm…
It’s almost as if all those LuCiels are waiting for a certain patch that will allow them to fight at their full potential…
I wonder what that patch is…

“Seriously KoG? You should go and fucking see how weak some classes can be, these damage increases are fucking stupid considering Chiliarch can’t hit shit with those microscopic hit-boxes.”

“microscopic hit-boxes.”
You should be a stand-up comedian. You’re pretty funny.

“Also nice job removing the “recovery potion effect” on that passive, it was helpful for me so much as a LuCiel in PvE and KoG decides to make anything that was good to the trashcan.”
I guess you’ll just have to go back to using the Alchemy Guild Skill like everyone else. How sad.

“This is the reason nobody plays LuCiel”
You mean aside from the fact that they will drain twice the money from the average player?
Oh, wait, they still do. Have you been to Ruben as of late?

“thats not even funny considering LuCiel isn’t as hyped as add since the damage differences are too high”
I don’t know… A lot of people like Lu/Ciel. I guess they like edgy trash designed specifically for pubescent teens even more, but we all have different tastes. Who are you to advocate for the global Elsword player base?

” Add can do damage while LuCiel was Resource efficient, which made me understand and i liked to play a little bit hardcore”
Base Add and Base Lu/Ciel did similar in terms of damage. I mean, unless you are referring to Add’s 2nd Jobs. In which case, I agree. I think KoG should do something to address this, but I don’t exactly know what. Hmmmmmmmmmm

“But now your throwing in a tiny damage and are stepping all over the pride luciel was good for”
You mean allowing players the ability to adapt to two different playstyles that intertwined into one?
You mean allowing players to think strategically about what character is best for what situation?
You mean allowing players to actually think about resource management instead of pressing a single skill to burst?
Those things are still very much intact.

“now i gain lesser than half the mana i do before in PvE? And PvP?”
It’s almost as if you just want to have everything handed to you on a silver platter.

“Kill yourself KoG, seriously LuCiel is not going to make you any money this way.”
A. Suicide is a serious thing. Taking it lightly for your own venting purposes isn’t acceptable.
B. I don’t know…Lu/Ciel seems to be keeping them at the top of Gamenote, even with all the events where KoG basically gave away thousands of excess dollars.

But, you know, you can keep being ignorant to the tools that you have, the way this game actually works. As long as you do, you’ll have a pretty excruciating time playing this game.