1. Ara
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Shared |
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Skill |
Detail |
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Tempest Dance |
MP cost Increased, Damage adjusted |
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Dragon Stance 2: Pulling Thrust |
Spirit gained by Spirit conversion(cancel) decreased. |
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Wolf Stance 2 : Wind Wedge |
conversion spirit gain decreased |
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Exorcism Stance 3 : Shadoweave |
MP cost decreased, consumes 2 spirit when casting. |
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Steel Body |
Changed to power stun, divided into two hits. |
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Spirit recovery when awakening |
At stage 1, 3 orbs At stage 2, 6 orbs At stage 3, 10 orbs |
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Celestial Fox enhancement and ravamp. |
Can receive Celestial Fox buff effect in 1,2 awakening as well. |
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Little Hsien / Sakra Devanam |
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Skill |
Details |
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Tiger Stance 1 : Rock Smash |
Super armor added when casting. |
| Fierce Tiger Strike |
Changed to 200MP spirit consumption skill. |
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Abundant Power |
MP gain adjusted |
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Dragon Stance 3 : Eight Trigram Palm |
MP cost decreased |
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Shining Lotus |
Throws Spear forwards and widely spins it to create storm of flower. |
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Quick Thrust |
Spirit Cost decreased |
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Full Moon Slash |
Skills cast faster when chained into. |
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Matchless Truth |
Damage and range increased |
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Tiger Power |
Skills cast faster when chained into. |
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Heaven’s Wrath |
Motion and Effect revamped. |
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Little Devil / Yama Raja |
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Skill |
Details |
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Wolf stance 3 : Wolf Claw |
Last hit’s damage increased and doesn’t knock down. |
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Infernal Circle |
Changed to 200mp skill. |
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Wolf Stance 4 : Wolf fang |
Projectile speed and range increased |
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Energy Wave |
Charge feature removed. Always fires in fully charged state. |
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Rakshasa Stance 1 : Soul Reaping |
Changed to active skill |
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Life Swap |
HP recovery upon successful hit increased slightly |
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Force Spear |
Fixed problem where it wouldn’t hit targets that are too close together. |
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Howling Wolf |
Skills cast faster when chained into. |
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Hell Gate |
Skills cast faster wehn chained into. |
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Resurrection |
Spirit required to resurrect increased |
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Little Specter / Asura |
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Skill |
Details |
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Spell : Storm |
changed to 200mp skill. |
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Spell : Thunder |
Hit range increased when casting |
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Mana Drain |
Hitstun decreased slightly |
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Repose of Souls |
Skills cast faster when chained into. |
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Fox’s Laugh |
Skills cast faster when chained into. |
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Spell: Spiritual Eye |
Cooldown time decreased when using secret arts. Changed effect to defense piercing |
2. Elesis
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Shared |
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Skill |
Details |
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Dodge & Slash |
Can backwards dodge at [True] |
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Spiral Blast |
Changed to shared skill. |
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Wild Shock |
Ignores target’s defense when in annihilation. |
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Stoic – Strong |
20% damage reduction during super armor at [True] |
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Saber Knight / Grand Master |
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Skill |
Details |
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Rushing Sword |
MP cost when repeating rushing sword decreased each time it’s used. |
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Saber Extinction |
Range Increased |
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Knight’s Destiny |
Becomes immune to all physical type debuffs when HP is below 25% |
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Power Breat |
Changed so it targets certain area in front. |
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Critical Dive |
Added bleed effect per hit. |
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Sword of Judgement |
Total range increased, Changed to Annihilation Skill. |
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Provoke |
Changed so it targets certain area in front. |
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Sword of Victory |
Added effect to improve MP gain per each hit. |
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Enhanced Agility |
Added buff that increases movement/attack speed per each dodge&slash or rushing sword casted. |
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War Prelude |
Changed to a buff that Increases Maximum MP, Increases command and active skill damage. |
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Waltz of the Sword |
Added effect where MP spent for Dodge&slash’s attack is regained if the hit is successful. |
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Juggernaut Buster |
Movement speed and hit speed increased while casting, black hole effect added to the slow strike. |
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Drastic Charge |
forward movement speed increased, push power increased |
| Skilled Knight |
KD reduction effect added. |
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Pyro Knight/ Blazing Heart |
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Skill |
Details |
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Explosive Fist |
Removes Blaze effect(Weapon attribute, burn, Undying Flame) debuff from the target hit by explosive fist and does all the damage the debuff would have done at once. |
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Sword Fire |
Red Lotus sword effect auto casted after sword fire. |
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Incarnation of Fire |
Removes all Blaze effect(Weapon attribute, burn, Undying Flame) within 1000 distance and gains MP depending on amount of debuffs removed. |
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Infernal Blade |
Ignores target’s defense depending on the amount of your Fire Resist stat. |
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Eternal Fire |
Horizontal range increased |
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Blazing Dance |
Recovers MP depending on amount remaining if the skill is cancelled. |
| Fire Stigma |
Added KD reduction effect to stigma explosions. |
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Flame Rose |
Summons amount of flame rose equal to the targets that were hit by the pulling attack in random locations. But the maximum rose amount is 3. |
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Fire Wall |
Size increased, causes burn and undying flame debuff pet to targets that touch the wall. |
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Dark Knight / Crimson Avenger |
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Skill |
Details |
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Ejection Buster |
Charge speed faster |
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Darkforce |
HP recovery decreased when in gale. |
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Brutal Cutter |
Changed so it gains enhancement buff when casting multiple times. |
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Injection Stigma |
Doesn’t cost MP anymore. Consumes 3% of maximum HP. |
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Burning Phantom |
Doesn’t charge using HP anymore. Costs MP. |
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Shadow Edge |
Does not share damage anymore and absorbs HP when tied together. |
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Brandish Breaker |
Damage increased the lower your HP gets |
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Revenge of Blood |
Activation chance decreased |
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Overflowing Blood |
Doesn’t recover HP. Addes attack power increase buff. |
cancer intensifies
YR. somebody help me
wtf elbrat lose super amor in stoic but elesis can keep it T__T
and fuck off with life swag why anybody want keep killing yourself if u can get all orb for awakening
He still has it….
Uh, last I checked, stoic IS Super Armor.
SD with RoF > full orbs > kite > bye
Tiger Stance 1 : Rock Smash
Super armor added when casting.
It’s about fucking time they gave it its super armor back.
Other than that and Steel Body now being a power stun, (Interrupts mana break charging.) nothing sounds like it’s at all significant.
Shining Lotus
(New Skill)
Throws Spear forwards and largely spins it to create storm of flower.
Slowly travels forwards to push all targets while doing multiple hits. Scatters flowers in 1 second interval to have them explode in maximum range. Scattering flowers causes debuff and they all explode when Shining Lotus explodes.
So….. it’s Cyclone with an explosion and debuff?
I kinda wish they made some changes to Asura’s phantom arts..
I wished they actually nerfed these two characters. Neither one, except probably GrM deserved any type of buff. They were already cancerous, and this makes them even more so.
People like you are why GM just got that massive buff while she was already the absolute best PVP class.
Sorry you couldn’t learn how to play her/everyone else would rather play Add because you don’t have to actually have a clue to do well with him.
its free season and your concerned with pvp?
1. I don’t even play the game anymore. I’m just here to watch the trainwreck.
2. If you think they’re going to nerf Elesis for Season 4 after they just gave her the biggest buff out of anyone save Code Nemesis so far, I have a bridge to sell you.
GrM, the absolute best PvP class? You’re an absolute idiot.
The best class for PvP, right now, is YR. For GrM to even be close to being the best PvP class, she has to go through IP, DiE, CrA, Asura, SD, RS, DL, and NB.
as for PvP wont argue shes one of the best (cant say best) however im looking too see if they throw in something like pvp modifiers or that cause yes pvp would be very imbalanced right now
You’re a braindead moron if you think half those classes are even good.
lol at thinking Elbrat and L&C are even good. At all.
But unlike you, I’ll give actual reasoning for why GM is superior:
Damage output: Initiate + Power Break + Provoke
Damage mitigation: Knight’s Destiny
Go look up these skills. Then look up Elesis’ shared skills. (Stoic – Strong can break out of Hyper Actives.) Then go look up a brain surgeon. What is it about RS you think is even remotely good? >>^XZ? You have to be braindead to get caught by that. And lol at spouting the usual DE (Cut this “DiE” shit out. Only one class has its name starting with D and E.) nonsense.
as i stated before its free season so i dont think anyones thinking of pvp. pve she needed a buff
Stoic-strong breaks out of hypers, good for you, use that on GBH and feel like an idiot. And for the record the moment you said Luciel was bad I stopped reading your cancer.
I see more CrA on a daily basis in pvp. But hey, he doesn’t play this game anymore, theorycraft at its best.
And since you are moron gonna repeat this again. It’s free season so get your head out of pvp already.
My god, it’s like typing to a walking brain tumor with you. No wonder so many people talk shit about you lol. I’ll give you some examples of the cancer that is RS, LuCiel and DiE, but I’m about 150% sure your feeble minded, tiny ass brain won’t comprehend it.
RS: Vitality Mode in itself is disgusting, that much mana gain should’ve been nerfed. >>^XZ is one of the safest approaches in the entire game, as well as nigh-unpunishable for such a low cost, with a lingering hitbox and incredible amounts of hitstun. Pheonix Talon replenishes itself and makes all projectiles useless. Sword Enchant’s damage is far too great for an active.
Luciel: TWO MANA BARS, LOL. Being able to use two 100 MP moves back to back is totally fair. With DL alone, Luciel is so cancerous. Oriax gives power armor, ability to stun, 100% MP acquisition. Apollyon ignores all forms of defense, reduction damage, guard with it’s note. Soul Strike does far too much damage for an active. Soul Sigil is a non-hitstun active version of Energy Needles. But that’s not even the end of it.
There’s more to list, but I’m sure your “Logic” won’t let you except everything post-Chung (besides IP and RS) is broken and braindead. Have fun thinking of a counter-productive argument while I find you a brain surgeon to replace the one you have that has no brain cells.
Windmill is faster than Juggernaut Buster.
You haven’t watched any tournaments to be saying much of any of “GM is the strongest.” She was very lackluster is PvE and struggled to be relevant after Yama Raja could pull off many resurrections. I’ve had a YR resurrect 7 times in one match before, GM cannot do that.
All-in-all, Yama Raja has been nerfed, Steel Body’s distance was decreased, GM buffed, BH got a more focused playstyle, CA got more “new player friendly” and SD apparently got more gimmicks. Asura also barely changed from what I’m seeing, except Mana Drain probably not allowing an Asura catches from an entire platform down from the hitstun.
I’m pretty impressed that none of this is really going overboard, as Power Break cannot stack anymore even though it can hit multiple opponents.
This is from the abilities strictly, so we have no real idea of how to gauge the character strengths of each one.
Why should we even bother with him? He said Elly’s Mega Slash was flat-out better than Elboy’s for not knocking down, which is pretty much total proof that he doesn’t know how the knockdown counter system. And that’s one of the first things you SHOULD learn about a game like this if you’re trying to be competitive! Heck I’m not competitive myself and even I know more about it than he does!
Endgame, we know there’s no other class that uses DE, AND WE DON’T CARE! DiE spells die, and it fits Add’s personality, SO THAT’S WHY WE USE IT!
trying to be an edgelord doesn’t make you sound smart. endgame is a moron, but you are apparently a bigger one, [flare kyn].
What the fuck is an edgelord?!
Are you dum my nigga RS has the best output damg then a fucking GrM
they buffed GrM mostly on the PvE side tho
in which I liked it
OH MY GOD eternal fire is gale again
At least she’s less of a walking vampire-zombie esque…kind of thing.
Guy’s talking about BH. Why’d you bring up Prostitute Elesis?
Man, your life must be fun, you said it yourself that you’re not playing the game anymore, yet you still have so much opinion about a game you’re not playing anymore(yes i said it twice)
Look man, my DW has Reaper AND Sword of Splendor.
I’ve invested too much in this game to stop caring just because it isn’t worth playing anymore.
Also, watching KOG’s shenanegans and the people who enjoy getting fucked up the ass too much to quit for a better game has its entertainment value. Do people SERIOUSLY think Elesis is going to get nerfed next week? Hahahahahahaha….. prepare for more buffs.
“I’ve invested too much in this game to stop caring just because it isn’t worth playing anymore.”
I think even people who don’t value logic would balk at the senselessness of that.
endgame: “my DW has reaper and sword of splendor”
my DW has every title before sander (except famous sailors and SD ones), some from lanox, and most from sander (including reaper, children of the wind, and lightspeed)…
your point?
you’re so caught up in onesided views that you don’t see the real problems.
also, they nerfed CrA and DiE after so many complaints, they have to at least do that much when damn near everyone complains
“I’ve invested too much in this game to stop caring just because it isn’t worth playing anymore.”
*Tilts head in confusion* yet somehow you care more than any player who does play the game as is evident from your very long rants here… well aaaawlrighty then… none of my business…
I’d say anyone stupid enough to grind out those soulcrushing titles can safely be called “too invested in the game for their own good”, honestly. if he’s got that shit, he counts, even if he is a dumbass most of the time.
the sheer amount of stupid I see arguing with his stupid these days is astonishing.
Thanks for reinforcing CrA’s berserker gameplay, KOG.
Fuck you
straight too the point there
Ah dangit wrong person
What exactly is a berserker by game standards?
Ara = huge nerf
Elesis = godly buff
to the suprise of none.
odds of ara’s damage also being stealth-nerfed are probably pretty high, too.
oh, and shura’s calling card of going fox regardless of awake charge level gets handed out to everyone because why should she keep her gimmick to herself, eh? it’s not like there’s a specific explanation for that one class doing it while the others don’t, or anything.
oh wait.
much like how they decided that base eve should have spectrum even though it’s a thing specific to CL/CBS. because kog` are idiots.
but aside from playing favorites with el-sister, we already know that their actions aren’t guided by a quest for balance anyway. they already admitted their methodology is to nerf popular things and buff unpopular ones, regardless of why, after all.
What’s that? Are you trying to say that KOG hates Ara and has a massive hard-on for Elesis?
What could possibly make you think that? Besides Elesis’ trailer going out of its way to exclude Ara, Elesis coming out around the time LD/YR was expected to come out and stealing all attention away from Ara, the update where LD/YR finally came out having a promotional artwork featuring Elesis and no one else, let alone Ara, the Comic World event that was all about Crimson Avenger who just came out and not a single mention of Asura…..
I just realized why Ara wasn’t in the trailer.
Look at the other six non-Elesis characters that were in there. Which path were they in?
Go fuck yourself
mister internet tuff guy, you need a real hobby.
Doesnt Ara have easy access to al her secret artes now? I fail to see the nerfs…
I am speculating with regard to the modifiers behind things. I am of a mind it wouldn’t be suprising if ara got the same sort of stuff done that NW did, where it seemed like things got better but the modifiers dropped so that she actually performed worse in spite of seemingly being buffed. I could easily be wrong, of course, but since kog` keeps putting the screws to characters/classes I enjoy playing. . . (except GA. unless we count them diddling the NF modifiers to give her less defense boost from a full gauge.)
what is isso jovs? I changed to BH a tempo. this is muito help I’m going to become top BR cancer jovs kkkkkkk this vez no body pode stop me. I will trazer chaos I’ll trazer cancer se preparem yourselves ur BR shit payers. I’m going to become the biggest cancer BR server and then je hae gwon-senpai cancer will notice me because I’ll be like him. kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk esteja ready jovs brs. kkkkkkkkk
Just what in heaven’s name are you communicating to us? I didn’t want to bother processing what I just read. : (
I just want to say that finally I will become the ultimate cancer from my server.. calm down jovs kkkk
I am user Cav since she ruluase in on Grand Chase season 100. I am the true good now cancer with these buffs scrotum kog thanks for making me top RANK BR I’m the best player jovs kkkkkkkk
Speak properly dammit! Just cause you wanna be a hue that doesn’t mean you should be a cancer in the forums. By the way you could have mixed it in a much more annoying order.
P.S. I’m BR too.
Speak English. It looks like u copy and pasted from Google trans
Hoho, time to play with eternal fire. Looks like CrA is starting to share more traits with Veteran commander, less heal, more attack damage.
they nerfed CrA so much :c
they should have buffed her instead! more heal and more dmg!
but i still love her empty eyes <3
I’d rather “more heal, same damage”, but that’s because I like it when I can fix the consequences of getting nailed in mid-attack as I so often do. but since now it seems that blood hit can and will immediately drop her to 20% HP from a full bar… um. yet another character getting mothballed.
GrM becomes god under 25 % hp
BH gets a big sword too
i like their revamps
and Ara became even more godly
just tank for 2-3 awakening stage and you win
Uh… what big sword? BH doesn’t have any special actives like that. I just checked.
Check out the new Infernal Blade. 20 seconds of big sword.
my GrM get buffed damn bad
Even I was taken aback by some of these changes. And I was the guy EXPECTING Elesis to get nothing but buffs.
I burst out laughing when I saw the new 25% HP effect for Knight’s Destiny. Did NOT see that one coming.
i knew KOG would buff the fuck out of elesis too, but not THIS much…
so naturally, she remains as one of the ulcer causing characters of PvP
well, ara too, now that all 3 routes get the same awakening system as asura, get orbs upon awakening, and have no signs of that fucking X and ^X nerf lots of players want…
Nothing about normal attacks has ever been listed on these lists; there has been nothing to imply whether there will or won’t be fixes to Ara’s ^X/>>X. (X alone isn’t a huge issue as long as Ara can’t infinite while taking advantage of it)
Overreacting. X and ^X were nerfed long ago, do not bring NA into this.
I barely saw any GMs in arena to speak of over the course of 3+ months, they needed this buff so they’d actually be used again over Crimson Avenger. She literally only has a usage in Sparring because everyone else is not able to bring their stats in.
On that note, her status effect immunity does not carry over into elemental resistances, only player-caused status effects. It’s to not make her better than Elsword’s auto-cleanse Stoic, which is shared by all Elswords. If you were at 25% hp to begin with, then you better hope your opponent is nearly dead.
as if the insane dmg reduction ain’t enough to add this IMMUNITY TO PHYSICAL DEBUFFS
elsword ph is fucking shit server.
You are so mean :(
your class did need nerfed along with your sister routes…
KOG went total opposite making balancing even less possible
Nerfed? more attack > more hp. dont see how thats a nerf
i said CrA needs nerfed and KOG went total opposite
pay attention please…
She was nerfed. Both before this and on this patch.
This patch establishes 2 things for CrA:
-She cannot fully heal herself in PvE “the easy way,” thus heavily gimping her sustain (which was undoubtedly the strongest in the game). Burning Phantom will assist greatly but overall she lost a high damage skill.
-She has a reliable PvP heal that is actually usable in 3v3 and isn’t toxic with the whole “sharing damage.” More than that, Burning Phantom isn’t uncommon to use here, so it is more effective.
I’ve seen combo-wise that she still received nerfs, so I think her playstyle keeps the “slow but hits hard” mentality of Elesis. I’d prefer it if people actually observed these characters for what they are, not what they wanted to see nerfed.
if she needed nerfs why wasnt she top tier pve or pvp, just another butthurt person. played for a bit and pve used too be fun on her but now its kinda crap
http://i.imgur.com/L0BBba3.png
YOU’RE mean.
B-B-But… im… cute D:
no?
Add is the only thing in Elrios uglier than you.
You are so cancer
Better ugly than add. lol.
This page should be used in the future as indisputable evidence that KOG is completely biased in favor of Elesis.
Well it IS Elesis online! ;D i main Asura and find that this did not nerf her at all, it was mostly buffs if anything, which is nice, after as a mainly PvE person who does not “rely” on mana drain i could not care less about that when everything else got buff, and also the fact that it got a reduced hit stun is hardly worth mentioning since it was to be honest quite gay to begin with. and in PvP i don’t rely on the hit stun for that as well as well as again it was gay to begin with. i rely more on my arts, and seeing that spiritual eye resets cooldowns on skills after arts in some way and pierces defenses (sounds more like an add damage passive in mechanics than ignoring defense) is nice as well.
It really baffles me that anyone could possibly deny that Elesis is KOG’s favorite child.
I mean, seriously. Did these mouthbreathers not watch her trailer where everyone else (Except Ara) lost to trash, and then Elesis showed up and saved the day by instantly wiping out all the trash + Uno Hound, then gutted Dark Nephilim? It’s been perfectly clear since day one that Elesis came in and hijacked the game.
Fuck, she was pretty much the main character of Grand Chase too. Complete with the lore saying that there were three goddesses that resemble Elesis, Lire, and Arme. Oh, and guess who was the leader of the three goddesses, which GC’s world was also named after?
And let’s not forget her heritage as Sieghart’s granddaughter, which makes her that much more special.
Ahem, mari became the focus of season 3
Mari was the single most dominating character in pvp
Elesis was shit on pvp gc, only people with godly fingers can be good with her
Ap characters owned elesis a lot
The whole lore of grand chase revolves around mari
Old man sieghart was the people favorite because of fan girls pairing him with other male characters
And elesis did not share anything with sieghart because sieghart wasn’t born special according to the lore he was just that good up unitl xenia continent(which is about at level 50 so no not that special)
well said
Well, Elesis was the first char in GC, So her mechanics was overwhelmed by all the next chars after Amy. Lire and Arme got through probably because of their infi range projectiles, Lass with his invisibility and Ryan with transforms, Erudon with his I dunno, never played him.
Well after being in the low tiers in her own-godly-incarnation-named world she used her divine powers to shift worlds and wreck havoc in Elrios, that probably happened.
Being Ercnard’s heritage is I dunno know complicated?
Erudon had nothing *silent weep*
He was my fav amongst the GC cast. Early on, DK was amazing since he had that 1MP regen spell but that went out the window after they reworked HP regen to the point the spell heals fck all…
Alright, alright. On the 2 last seasons, he didn’t actually have “nothing”. Spell Knight had one of the most broken skill trees along with a stacking damage buff. Abyss Knight was overly flashy in PvP to the point it left him wide open but was okay-ish in dungeons.
And then there’s the mf-ing tank of a 3rd job. Block-block-block-BLAME BUSTER!!! Good times. Gooood times…
elesis is their lovechild by her skills and gameplay, not her fucking background…
but wait til the last of the update.. given KOG’s track record, add is gonna be as much as a threat if not more, and luciel will come close until their third route gives a major fuck you to all other classes
There he goes with his obsession with Grand Chase’s Elesis
take out GrM changes and how much favorite is she now?
Still the favorite because GM would still be superior to any non-Elesis class, and BH and CA are getting buffed to be stronger than what GM is at pre-revamp from the sounds of things.
Fuck, CA is easier to play to GM as is. (Hence why people make the mistake of thinking she’s stronger.) She can win matches on Stoic – Strong alone. That’s more easymode than even Add who is designed to cater to facerollers.
still hearing pvp even though as everyone can see it seems too be based for pve right now. and your add comment makes me scared for his revamp
Who cares about PVE? That’s Aisha and Eve’s domain. Not to mention the Lanox bosses are absolute jokes and easier than other games’ tutorial bosses. (lolScar. THIS guy’s leading the Demon Army?! Karis could have kicked his ass and taken over herself! Both her semi-dangerous pre-transformation form AND her post-transformation sitting duck form!)
Add isn’t nearly as good as everyone makes him out to be. He has weaknesses. (Elesis does not.) It’s just that everyone seems to have a learning disability when it comes to learning how to exploit them. And if KOG is serious about balancing around popularity, well….. I think they’ve just made it pretty clear that they want their precious Elesis to be the most popular and not Add, the one they say more players have hit level 80 with than any other character.
its free season so anyone serious about pvp right now will make me laugh
>it’s not being ranked so it doesn’t count!
you really do think with your e-peen, don’t you, [facedesk]
i’m also getting sick of “pre-season” as an excuse…
QUIT DENYING THE FACT THAT SOME CLASSES CLEARLY DO MORE DAMAGE THAN THEY SHOULD.
and given KOG, “PvP modifiers” won’t do shit to balance things out.
the best chance of balance is if all classes get gutted and redone cause this “buff everyone” idea KOG got is way off the mark.
it’s great for PvE.. but S4 PvP is gonna be the shittiest hellhole soon
>SOME CLASSES CLEARLY DO MORE DAMAGE THAN THEY SHOULD.
some classes do too much damage in PVP. most classes stunlock way too easily in PVP. escaping being hit costs MP which some classes can’t do anything of note without, and requires a third of a bar, which some classes have long been able to kill you before you obtain, should they tag you. if there’s much of any latency hitstun doesn’t happen for one player but does for another.
elsword’s PVP requires being gutted and the netcode being gutted before it can even start to become balanced.
search your feelings, you know it to be true.
And over here, you see the Red Herring Fallacy come into play kids.
Don’t catch the Endgame virus!
Look at BH’s changes. Those are also evidence that Elesis is their favorite.
BH barely improved
BH losing Rushing Sword, Leap and Kick for PvP and Burst Rising for PvE doesn’t scream favourites to me…
Because BH wasn’t already deadly as Hell.
…..Literally.
Sorry you people can’t learn to play any Elesis class other than CA, her easiest, and think the other two are weaker because there’s more to them than just abusing the fact that your mana breaks deal significant damage. What’s that? You actually have to CATCH opponents and set up debuffs on them with GM and BH before she slaughters them? Man, that’s way too much work! Let’s just go play Add so we can roll our faces all over our keyboards and win against the people dumb enough to still play Elbrat and Raven!
*Has all 3 elesis* ok your arguement just got ignored at the start
And he doesn’t play this game anyways, what can he judge?
Just because you have them doesn’t mean you know shit about them.
Did you name yourself after your favorite activity? The brain damage is showing.
*has all 3 and knows them inside and out* you just got ignored again
You are so fucking braindead that you don’t even know what “ignore” means.
Hint: You replied to me. Now try to think long and hard about how your words and actions are completely contradicting each other.
But you know what? I think I’ll ignore you for now on. Not that it’ll stop your verbal diarrhea. Ignoring mouthbreathers hasn’t stopped anyone else from replying to me.
was more stating your argument was invalid twice in a row. but run out of things to argue about so you picked on my words, shame you dont have anything else to devote this time too
There is one thing I’m wondering that the patch notes make clear: Is Heavy Stunner getting removed?
Because if GM’s getting Power Break (No longer needing to be stacked twice.) AND Heavy Stunner…..
Anyone still wasting their time with this game’s PVP….. prepare thy anus.
stop hating me plz :’c
i want to be an honorable person. not the scum like ppl make me be.
Its not my fault KoG is hyping me so much and people abuse me the way they do it
I will stop hating you once you are banished to the deepest reaches of Hell where you belong.
Along with Add*
Yeah, fuck that guy too.
something tells me nothing happened to it :P
But it seems it DID get removed. Gj KoG!
List of skill removals for Elesis:
Base: Power Burster, Sonic Assault – Stab, Mega Slash, Kick. Rushing Sword and Leap became GrM exclusives.
GrM: Cross Slash, Heavy Stunner, Snap Crasher
BH: Sword Eruption, Burst Rising, Burst Wave
CrA: Overflowing Madness, Crimson Breaker
Overflowing Madness loss hurts most of her dmg output and they say her dmg got buffed?
Wait, they actually nerfed CrA?
Well… they could mean that the damage PERCENTAGES for each attack were increased.
Not by much. Unlike Elboy, Rena, Raven and even Ara, her percentages wasn’t touched as much.
i enjoyed the balance of healing and damage before, perfected those and you could be good. they made her less playable and your going to kill yourself more on her now. however taking out that mp gain with lower health to me would hurt as i cant use as many skills too deal out dmg and that ignored def will be missed </3 she didnt need a nerf as she was mid tier pve and pvp after all they've gutted her
And Endgame strike back with “the favorite child” conspiracy again
Endgame®
hatin’ n despisin’ Elesis since her release
hatin’ n hatin’ KoG since its foundation
And you’d have to be dumber than “climate change is a hoax” morons to deny it with the mountain of evidence that is today’s patch notes out for all to see.
and your dumber than them as all your points are based only off pvp that’s not serious (right now) in a game you don’t play anymore
And you think PVE is serious at all when the current final boss puts up less of a fight against level 76 players than Banthus does against level 13-15 players, and Aisha, Eve, and (GA) Rena can clear entire rooms with the press of a button? Bitch, please.
Or maybe they just feel easier because you had to fight Banthus as base AND NOW YOU’RE SECOND JOB, POTENTIALLY WITH ALL SKILLS UNLOCKED?!
Granted they do need to give them a buff, but a Base Job boss is NOT a good comparison for a boss you fight FULLY JOB CHANGED!
pve is more than those 3 characters but you wouldnt know that seeings you dont play anymore. either way if you were smart you wouldve figured out they havent done these based on pvp
and secondly this is a test week. they do balances after the first week as seen with the others
Go play raid boss and tell me you can’t die there every single round.
I seriously love the butthurt everyone is getting from Endy.
>climate change
well endykins, that’s an involved subject. because while it’s a thing, it’s not the thing that the panicmongers insist it is. and I don’t feel like ranting about it right now.
>plainly demonstrated things are a conspiracy theory
dood.
haha endgame is mad
You know what? No. This is exactly what KOG wants. This is exactly what Elesis wants. I’m not playing into their game any longer.
Let’s not talk about the evil cunt who eats Dark El then decides to start laughing maniacally while dressing like a prostitute for some reason.
Let’s talk about cute, sweet, innocent, beautiful Ara.
*Ahem.*
So, there’s a lot of “casts faster when chained into” skills. It seems to be their fix for the PVE skill delay removal gutting Secret Arts.
Is this really going to be a suitable solution?
Innocent Ara… haha :|
srsly. you are way too mean…
and im not ugly! why you say that im ugly :c
IM NOT UGLY T_T
Endgame just hates you and your sister classes.
Though your decision to wear a leotard is confusing, you’re far from any kind of negative appearance (except your seemingly-lifeless expression)
edgelordesis looks drugged in her default art. that is perfectly negative.
Yes you are.
Even your little brother has more feminine grace than you.
yet she runs her mouth a lot less than you
You’re just mad that she stopped you from killing her brother.
kog hindsight the fuck is that shit
You don’t even play this game, why the hell are you still here?
Because he has chronic OCD
holy shit i laugh so hard
”’dressing like a prostitute ”’
thank you bro
I thought it was the only one who thought so
this elesis cancer shit prostitute
at least she gets laid more than you
You assume I even want to get laid. Let alone constantly to the point where my crotch would burn.
even if you wanted you probably couldnt
re: faster-when-chained
I’ll have to see it in practical (read: full party of evenly leveled characters) use to judge. my suspicion is not, of course. because kog` believes that trying to justify bad choices allows them to save face more than admitting their error, even though all it does is make people distrust them more.
Man fk KOG, like wow, freaking wow!! I am done so done with this company
This is incredible… wow… srly kog? srly?. Seeing this we can say that Eve got the worst renewal afterall…
Infinity Sword told me toask you: “What’s a renewal?”
If anything, Eve got the best renewal because Nemesis got real buffs and is no longer the worst class in the game.
Worst revamp? Definitely Elbrat. What little buffs he did get were entirely undone by everyone else getting even more buffs. Why the hell is the game named after him again?
Runner up would be Aisha. Teleport still sucks AND Mana Shield is gone?!
Elsword has become the elesis of gc
You need some guidance if you think your theorycraft functions in an environment where playtesting exists.
You were already vastly wrong on DW, what justifies this for Elesis when she is just as much of a character as any other? You already don’t play any longer to know Aisha’s capacities nor have played Elsword long enough to know what his buffs mean.
Or do you believe that you can assess this whole thing without proof, like every single time you talk? We’ve already had a Rune Slayer in our NA official tourneys go UNDEFEATED until the last round. RS vs. GM, and the only thing that saved the GM was the additional KD you receive when you grab the passive for it. Iron Paladin and Yama Raja have actually been banned from tourneys before, but GM has not at all.
I’m not trying to insult you, but this crap makes you seem like you have nothing better to do in your life at all other than talk in outdated formats on a vastly adapting apparatus. Smh.
^ this guy
This guy is the real mvp.
hmm, a teleport that has even lower mp cost (as low as 2.5 fucking mp) sucks?
and given that you only need 1-3 for a clean getaway (use more in a row and you suck at teleport), that’s horrible… right…. -sarcasm-
and mana shield isn’t really gone. just make a EM and use shining body and you still have it cause KOG logic dictates that only EM needs the red dam… >.>
…good to see that KOG invested as much time in reworking Elesis imperial path as they did with her little brother :)
He got a stage 2 arma blade too right? An anti-debuff passive at 25% hp? He gets his HP back if roll hits? No? None of that? Alrighty then…
Also no signs of KD added to Ara’s X and ^X…but there’s always hope
and once again, Elsword is now back to his status as the weaker version of Elesis that no one will ever play as since Elesis can do everything that Elsword can but better
After they’ve both been revamp, they both now plays completely different.
As it is now, Elesis has better approaches/catches while Elboy is better at dealing out the pain once he catches you.
Elboy is better at dealing out the pain once he catches you.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Good one.
LK has more instantaneous damage through armor break, and in arena that scales much more effectively. GM’s Power Break can no longer stack, lessening her combo loops and actually delaying the damage you could do vs. LK.
The only questionable areas are Windmill vs. Juggernaut Drive. One is more damage oriented and hits less (Elesis) while the other groups to a godly degree and makes fighting LK in 3v3 almost impossible unless his teammates are downright idiots. WoTS for Elsword is already vastly better than Elesis’ (Vitality says hello), and now KOG has basically reinforced Elesis’ weakness to ranged to characters by cutting off Leap/Rushing Sword from BH and CrA.
I’d rather say all this now where everyone can see it over letting you keep your ignorance without bounds. However, the only reason I’ve ever given you the time of day for these past few years is that you’re an Elsworder just like us. This is quite honestly like watching a football game in a living room, where you’re that noisy guy tossing the popcorn everywhere cause you think the coach is an idiot.
Not only that, but Armor Break has a higher reduction percentage than Power Break. Power Break is nice, but it’s best used in a team that mixes physical AND magical, while Elboy’s is pretty much a benefit to everyone because everyone has physical attack commands. While Power Break help in a solo run, you won’t get as much of a benefit from it as Elboy gets from using Armor Break.
And yes I know Power Break reduces elemental resistance as well.
God fucking damn it CA is buffed? Bullshit.
agree is a lie
Elesis might be my favorite character but these buffs are just disgusting. Gotta love Kogs favoritism.
and now we know KOG can’t balance shit
I’m so done with this stupid game
hello closers here I come
We knew this since IP was released
Chung’s paths were fine by the time 3rd route for him hit…
the balance shifted when ara came the KOG slowly but surely destroys it each new “update”
When IP was released? WS was the overpowered easy mode class before IP showed up in the picture! And let’s not forget pre-Meditation nerf EM.
You’re done with this stupid game? Good bye and have fun in a game that required GMs to control the market.
As if Revia and Nata required any skill to play.
>implying that elsword’s market is fine
>in between the botters and exploits and everything else
that’s some top grade lolz you’re peddling, fellah.
the difference is that closers’ management is concerned about the market just enough to have the GMs control it, while kog` is busy pretending no problems exist.
(disclaimer: this poster’s knowledge of {closers} is limited to leering at fanart of yuri)
Because it is fine? Unless you are talking about NA because that is god awful. Though I don’t need to remind anyone about Closers’ school costume package prices.
I don’t even have a Yuri and it’s silly to play a character that requires you to balance magic and physical.
>implying the market is fine even in korea
ha. hahaha. ha.
also >MUH MINMAXING!
ugh
I mean if you have trouble earning money do tell me, I don’t think it’s hard after all. I mean if you are one of those people who think doing GoD and leveling alchemy craft is hard and not worthwhile, I guess you’re not playing this game efficiently then.
As to the Closers comment, you want to have fun playing everything really slow? Be my guest,
Is Min-maxing a problem? I don’t get why that’s even an issue. +10 use to be horribly stupid to get to but it’s really easy now thanks to the new purple enhancement. I think money is harder to earn in Closers than in Elsword.
I am happy you actually corrected yourself in terms of what you were pointing to, but I think you’re not putting any effort into actually trying to sell things. Oh I double posted again, shame on me.
elsword – pick op char and go faceroll
I agree that Revia is easy to play (still harder than most of elsword char btw) but not Nata
Levia does tons of damage and can fill the screen with lasers, yes. But she can still die rather quickly against endgame bosses.
Yes, DIE. You can do that in Closers. When’s the last time anyone died in Elsword PVE outside of intentionally taking Smaug’s fire breath just to revive immediately afterwards with one of the thousands of resurrection stones they give out in events just to get some extra damage in on him while everyone else runs away? (Or is he invulnerable while he’s charging up? I forgot. I only watched the video once.)
Also, Seha deals more damage than Levia. He sucks at mobbing/AoE, but he’s the best bossing character thanks to his True Damage attacks.
Also, it’s a pure PVE game (PVP is dead. Naddic never even added Nata and Levia to it because they know there’s no point.) where each character fills a different role. Character imbalance isn’t as big a detriment to the game since players aren’t fighting each other. (And there’s no kick option yet so it’s not like people with +12 weapons can kill everything and kick the lesser geared players out.)
1. Raid Bosses
2. Secret Dungeons (there are days where even my IS dies multiple times, and it’s never intentional)
3. Henir’s Time and Space
4. Sandtilus (I FUCKING HATE KARIS AS A BOSS! (but as a character I think she can improve))
There is the phase 2 part 2 flame breath (if you fail to shoot him down), it is literally an instant kill. You can mana break it, but if you don’t have over a certain amount of hp, you still die.
You know what I just realized?
KOG can use the story to justify Elesis getting such massive buffs (while everyone else doesn’t get much, if anything) with the story. The El Lady possessing her awakened new powers within her or some bullshit like that.
You’d make a good source for uncyclopedia.
CrA revamp feels more like a nerf
As if Elesis would get a nerf, but ok it probably feels like one.
need i remind you >>zzz, >>zxx, and burning phantom black hole nerf that happened too CrA just a little bit ago in NA. there goes your argument
overflowing madness removed (MP gain), less hp gain in genral and revenge of blood decrease chance. yeh it feels %100 like a nerf
It’s somewhat of a nerf, but I feel like the blood link range goes pretty far now.
I’ve been thinking, and I think Sword of Victory’s damage buff and level 2 activation are justified, considering most of Elly’s ‘shared skills’ do less damage than Elboy’s.
As much as we all love Elesis and Ara, is anyone starting to seriously wonder what Add’s renewal will look like? Like I’ve brainstormed with some of my friends and if add had half the abilities who couldn’t get with current ST just think…so yeah I think people should start thinking about for Add not sure but considering it usually takes less effort for people to win as him. But I could be 150% wrong I am just saying we all pretty much knew what was coming with this, and I agree with a lot of people who have stated this is free season, they’re doing this first and so that it will get changed like it (usually?) does…once season 4 starts. Probably unrelated but yeah good to see GM back as she was dumb at release she did fall and we (I) have like never seen her in PvP much everyone went CA or BH. Mad at the Kite buff but whatever, and YR needs to lose that Burst destroyer (Stance 1 and 2)
PS: Still waiting on LuCiels 3rd path
Yes, people did stop playing GM. But you act as if she got nerfed. (Outside of universal nerfs like Stoic – Strong’s launch, Power Break having its debuff lowered at the same time as all the other debuff skills, etc.)
That never happened. She was just as powerful as she was at launch until just a few days ago.
It seems that they locked my Asura’s Mana drain for no apparent reason, even though it was unlocked before the patch…
that sort of thing happens. the game doesn’t keep track of the skills that are unlocked by what skill they are, but rather which slot in the tree they occupy. hence my CBS losing her gigastream when the “cut off your left arm or your right arm” revamp hit over a year ago.
I wouldn’t miiiind, but the skill unlock quests are designed to be cash shop advertisements and get really bloody irritating. kog` doesn’t seem to understand that “selling convenience” isn’t supposed to mean “making it so that choosing not to buy convenience results in being punished”.
I think what you’re trying to say is, once you finish the skill quests, your locked skill of that level is now permanently unlocked, even after a revamp hits, meaning you never have to do those quests again. For example, if you did the basic training quests to unlock your level 30 locked skill during the ‘pick one or the other’ skill tree, then once this revamp hits you will already have access to the level 20 locked skill. Am I correct?
KOG is out their minds if you gotta unlock them again..
especially considering that people have payed money for skill unlocks already
what I am saying is that when you finish a skill unlock quest, that specific skill slot on the tree remains unlocked regardless of what they do, rather than the skill that was in the slot being unlocked.
so before they changed the skilltrees the last time, the skill that was locked at level 30 for CBS was giga stream…. and afterwards it was sweep rolling – trivulcan. so if you had the L30 skill unlocked before the revamp (and not the L40 skill), you went from having gigastream available to having trivulcan available, and had to re-earn giga.
the whole way the game displays things regarding locked skills is deceptive. when you complete the quest (or buy the unlock) the game makes it look like you bought the skill, but in reality it’s the spot on the tree that you’re buying access to.
now, I forget offhand if the levels for locked skills are different with this revamp, and feel too lazy at this hour to check. but if they did, I would not be shocked at all for the previous unlocks to not carry over.
magicspice> you should know quite well kog are out of their minds. just the fact that half your skill hotkeys and half your item hotkeys are locked as “premium” things to start with and you have to get them for each character seperately should tell you that.
and even if you ignore that… people payed money for those broken-ass old model mana necklaces, and kog` removed them from the game. I think there was some (insufficient) compensation for it, but all the same.
one must remember that businesses only consider data to be actual assets when it’s something of their’s that they percieve themselves to lose money over. the customer can get bent.
Everybody says shit when the revamp of Grand Archer came.
But now it seems to be a history.
I wonder if the Grand Archer have improvements on her KD rate.
Brace up guys ‘coz Add and LuCiel revamp is still coming.
My main is a GA and secondary is Cra, I have a LuCiel as a bunos.
And it turns out that my GA doesn’t have a good catch commands and hit-stun is low.
CrA is a so so now.
LuCiel is insane on catching and unlimited combo with KD reduction
Why should we brace up for Add and Lu/Ciel’s revamp? Elesis will still rape them as as she always has.
Also, KOG has all but admitted that they’re going to nerf Add since they say they balance based off of popularity and not actual balance, and then said Elbrat and Add are the most popular characters. (And clearly, they want Elesis to be the most popular. Hence, why she got buffed even though she wasn’t even unpopular.)
Elbrat already got shit for buffs. What little he did get to catch up with the others was undone as everyone else also got similar buffs. The gap between him and big sis is now bigger than it was before the revamps.
…..Can’t say what’s going to happen to LP or MM, but DE the class that no one will shut the fuck up about is definitely getting nerfed. Does he NEED the nerfs he’s going to be getting when he already breaks easier than a ricepaper condom? Probably not. But fuck Add. Stupid “look how edgy I am! Aren’t I cool?!” piece of shit never should have been added to the game.
OMG SD too OP for all…
All another chars rekted by SD :p
\(>_.>) AND ALSO…TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CRYING CUZ ARA GOT NERFED…GO AND SHOVE A SPEAR UP YOUR ASS, AND JUMP ON IT LIKE MOTHA FUCKIN POGO STICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:v Bakayaro…
\(>_<)/ YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUCK IS THIS BIG ASS BUFF DOING HERE????
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD, R U FUCKING ME? KOG IS DEFINITELY FUCKING WITH US, MANGGGGG.
DO THEY HONESTLY WANT ELESLUT TO BE FUCKING INVINCIBLE OR WHAT???? SHE SHOULD'VE BEEN DEAD WITH THE REST OF THE GC CHARACTERS.
HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GUNNA MAKE AN
ALREADY OP PERSON TO THE FCKING MAX….EVEN MORE OP THEN THEY ALREADY ARE, HUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH???
EVERY KOG EMPLOYEE IS A QUEEFBAG!!!!! THIS IS ABSOLUTE SHIT!!!!! KOG WILL FEEL MY WRATH.
Oh snap, Mugen is here! :O
Holy crap…
ELLY DOESN’T HAVE KICK ANYMORE!!!
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?!?!
Like I said somewhere up top…
List of skill removals for Elesis:
Base: Power Burster, Sonic Assault – Stab, Mega Slash, Kick.
Rushing Sword and Leap became GrM exclusives.
GrM: Cross Slash, Heavy Stunner, Snap Crasher
BH: Sword Eruption, Burst Rising, Burst Wave
CrA: Overflowing Madness, Crimson Breaker
I don’t think that list was posted when I made my post.
And unlike Elboy, his Onee-chan doesn’t have much in the way of KD reductions in her skill attributes either.
All Elboys have Roll with Tenacious(-KD). LK have Kick. RS has Explosive Fist and Luna Blade both with Tenacious. IS have Tenacious on his Counter.
As for Elesis… GrM has none. BH, none again. CrA has no-Oh wait, she actually have one, Shade Scratch, and it’s a decent recatching tool as well. Considering how low tier she is after her nerfs, I’d say she deserves it.
Indeed.
I’ve also noticed that while a number of Elboy’s commands have a lower percentage than his sister’s, a lot of his skills have a higher percentage.
Also each of Ara’s first jobs have two extra skills, and her second jobs have four passives instead of three.
As for Ara… She didn’t lose much really.
Ara Haan
Shadow Press
Quick Thrust (SD only), Force Spear (YR only), Heavenly Strike (As only)
Sakra Devanam
Swift Rise, Flashy Wit, Self-defense Spirit
Yama Raja
Mana Swap, Self-defense Spirit
As
Spell: Aerial Blades, Self-defense Spirit
I’m really gonna miss Swift Rise in PvP and Flashy Wit’s 100% block in PvE.
As for YR, I always prefered Mana Swap over Life Swap but I can live with it. Just means I won’t be able to just waste it on air for a free orb with the HP cost and all >.>
Asura lost 1 clearing tool out of many.
aerial blades removed? asura has no midair skills now…
glad mine has LONG dropped that for fox’s meal
mana swap wasn’t removed, it’s the trascend option of life swap… but as the wiki hasn’t updated the attributes for any other class than elsword and rena yet -except for CBS that was released after raven and aisha revamps…
also, flower fall should have been removed instead
Yeah I noticed that too. I expected them to at the very least take out some of Ara’s skills yet they have merely shuffled them around a bit. Kind of removes any justifcation for the removal of skills like [Rising Wave] and [Ice Rune].
Did they ever fix what made Ara broken
like infinite ^x and that mana drain orb
Wait a sec… Add has a buff skill, but it’s a skill that doesn’t make sense on LP or MM. Does that mean…
Does that mean that Psychic and Arc Tracers are gonna get buff skills?!
possibly… but i can’t see it happening.
however, i bet luciel gets either the eve buff treatment (only one period), or the aisha treatment (split between classes)
and if split, i bet DL gets the crit damage buff and NB gets the MP gain one
I highly doubt Lu and Ciel will get Eve’s treatment purely because both of their buff skills are unique to them.
As for the Aisha treatment, it’s possible, but considering that Dreadlord’s current level 50 passive adds the same buff to both of them, I find it unlikely. But again, it’s possible.
Ayyyy
Dead game.
Grm low tier need buffs pls :((( kappa
Let’s make grm rain down swords base combo! Cause obviously that wouldnt fit for infinity sword any better!
Ayy give dodge and slash -10 mp drain note cause she needed it! Also lets not forget how SoV gives her no CD and now essentially no cost AND mana drain to loop, forever !
She needed that obviously.
Also lets make rushing sword cost lower cause elesis no damage poor grm :( it should cost less than mashing teleport yes. Might as well make her faster every rushing sword strike so she can burst dmg!!!! And let’s make her immune to literally every debuff in the game when she’s below 25% stuns too seems fair. In addition also make war prelude debuff your max mp! Ayy thats fair yes.
Lmao kog you are so retarded as if elesis wasn’t strong enough already.
low tier pve*
another rant based on pvp in free season
Shut the fuck up about free season already. Very few people actually give a damn about rankings.
And if you think KOG is going to nerf Elesis for Season 4, I have a bridge to sell you.
they have time before season 4, there are things they could do like pvp modifiers but your already going off before you know anything
there are things they could do, but it’s highly unlikely that they actually WILL.
did you miss the part where they said they weren’t going to make skills perform differently in PVP for balance’s sake simply because they didn’t want people to have to learn more than one function per skill?
then again, did you also miss the part where they admitted they do not pursue balance, but rather nerfing the popular and buffing the unpopular?
^ still going on about things that might/might not happen
last i remember in KR GrM wasnt exactly unpopular
In Soviet Russia, pvp modifiers don’t care about you.
If few people give a damn about their rankings, they why would they even need to care about how their characters perform in PvP?
Forget about PvP, it’s freaking free season!
Once season 4 starts, THEN you can rant about her PvP ability.
see my comment above.
>because it’s not ranked, it doesn’t matter!
but there remain things that are wrapped up in PVP, like being able to buy HP potions (which means that alchemist profession is PVP dependant…)
it’s not like kog` is likely to remove arena points and just make that stuff cost (non-bullshit amounts of) ED or something. and just because it’s not ranked doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
stop thinking with your e-peen.
You do know that players can do just fine WITHOUT those items, right?
they can do pretty well without them, just as they could do well without this classes and revamps… there goes your logic
you do know that whether or not people can do fine without them is completely irrevelant to the fact that access to them is gated behind PVP, therefore making PVP matter regardless of whether or not your precious ranking is being tracked, right?
anyone with alchemist as their profession has to be able to win in PVP regularly to get something that is required to rank their profession.
seriously. stop thinking with your e-peen. not being ranked does not make it vanish from the game and stop having any connection to other things in the game.
Or you could just do a ton of advanced socketing (granted it does consume a lot of Magic Stones, but it still doesn’t require you to pvp)
I think you’re the one thinking with your e-peen here.
You’re not responding ’cause you totally got owned XD
So you don’t do GoD I am guessing…?
I hate double posting but I might as well post this as well.
“anyone with alchemist as their profession has to be able to win in PVP regularly to get something that is required to rank their profession.”
Going to nitpick this because you seem to love PVP. Alchemists DO NOT need to pvp if you want to raise the rank. I guess this is why you think market is so screwed up if your world revolves around PVP.
They know Elesis was at the top. They’ve done everything to keep her there. They know exactly what they are doing.
Y’see, this is the fault of all the fucking idiots whining about DE and spreading shit about him being the top class just because they suck at the game. KOG didn’t like it because they want everyone to worship Elesis just as much as they do.
…..So they pushed Elesis up from being the top character to….. being the top character! They just want everyone to actually acknowledge it.
Oh, but don’t you worry. Add is still easier to play so fucking idiots will just continue to confuse his no skill requirement for actual power once his revamp comes out and he is still weaker than Elesis as he always has been. So when the next batch of revamps comes out, guess who’s going to become even more powerful?…..
Gotta agree here… people do fail to realize the low learning curve + low ceiling of potential that is Add when comparing him to Elesis.
The difference between a pro Elboy/Raven/Chung/Eve/Aisha and a new/noob one are astronomical and the growth potential is vast. Yet look at the difference between a noob and a pro Add… ofcourse you can tell if they know how to play Add or not, but the difference is ALOT smaller, because after learning some movement techniques and how to chain certain attacks, there’s few places to go for him except trying to get fancier without actual merit. You then simply need to exploit his weaknesses and there you go.
Elesis, however, has a lower learning curve, compared to all characters (except for Add) but far far greater growth potential than all of them! Simply too many safe approaches, damage output, annhiallation aura (oh god annhilation aura) and stoic strong (oh god the stoic strong).
Even if it werent for that surplus of tools, I’d say her growth potential was on par with say a BM/DC which seems completely skewed for the second to lowest learning curve having character in the game.
Actually, when I use GrM, I find that she’s around the same usability as LK.
They’re not exactly the same, but they’re close to eachother.
Due to stoic strong > stoic, Jump > Rolling smash, Chivalry > Way of the sword, dodge and slash > roll, zzzz (elesis) > zzzz (elboy), x-drop (elesis) > x-drop (elboy) and darting sword (which elboy has no equivalent for) I highly doubt that. I would say LK has plenty of options to improve (like his catching and stepping game) but very little that GrM couldn’t do and she has more options. I’m aware of the truckload of damage LK can do with what he has, but that doesn’t really justify making a class that is easier to master have more possibilities and growth potential.
https://youtu.be/Jydf-HcIKe0?t=3m51s I’ll gladly take back what I said when someone informs me of the LK that can do triple x-drops without breaking a sweat though.
Without a problem? I don’t think that’s easy even on Elesis!
Elboy can’t even do a double. The point on that X-Drop is, she has arguably the 2nd best x-drop hitbox in the game (and we all know who has the best one (which is for all intents and purposes a completely ridiculous ability)). The only reason I’d say argubly is because Chung and even though his hitbox is worse than Elly’s, the speedy execution gives it more utility.
I don’t think Elboys who arent IS have much to complain, but Elesis simply has more potential and options when compared to the learning curves of theses characters.
you know I thought exactly like you, even hate elesis and want here out of this game… but then went to KR with a friend to test elesis and… she did get nerfed, not as nerfed as other classes but now she is not top-top, but that’s something that can’t be seen until you try it on your own…
still, add will be the forever cancer of this game, followed by IP and then comes the skill spamming classes: CBS, EM, GA, all 3 ara’s and luciels which still lacks a 3rd job that could possibly be the ultimate demonic god of ruin on this game
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are you like. underage or something.
more stating it was based on opinion, however i agree with some comments
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In Practice:
Elesis – GM (PVE so-so, buffed, but still not that good); BH (Damage nerfed, So-so), CA is DEAD (Very Hard Damage Nerf).
Ara – SD (Very good), YR – PVE is the same, PVP is buffed. AS – Buff everywhere (Damage is very good with low mp cost.)
^ *posts this everywhere*
not only low mp cost but can spam nonstop since she got 420mp (SD got 400mp too!)
Anyone here have the list of the Ara skill attributes? I can’t find them anywhere @_@
good lord this is the most chaotic page yet.. (and with good reason)
clench asses for the last “rebalance” i bet that’s gonna cause the biggest uproar
Eh…I’m thinking: Insert April fools skill tree and you’re done in that last revamp. They practically did just that with Ara… I don’t see why Add and LuCiel would get a different treatment.
I still hope that somehow they rework the Add classes to give them a higher learning curve and more identity. They’react all basically base adds with stun commands and 1 gimmick (burst damage/utility/resources). Otherwise they’re carbon copies, which is a shame. LP could have been a really fun brawler class and DE a great support/debuff and mob gatherer class had KOG put some fucking effort in instead of saying: Let’s make his base class good enough to pvp against 2nd classes and slap some stun shit on him for his other classes and call it a day. Fuck balance, creativity and fun.
please remake their combos, at least LP’s, take your damn DP combos and shove them up your *** then give us real combos
Yeah it is kinda dumb that half of Add’s additional combos (all three paths combined) are only usable in Awakening.
True. And the result of that completely ridiculous decision, coupled with the one where every single command gets a walk cancel point makes every Add class play as a carbon copy when it comes to combo’s. Sure you can get fancy which is more fun, but it won’t do you NEARLY as much good as using advanced techniques with Elboy/Aisha/Raven or any other character for that matter.
They should remove some cancel points and rework his commands to fit the classes. Up his learning curve, up his potential and make him more rewarding to play as. Even good players, who mastered everything about Add, get lumped in with the LP ‘[nasod armor] zz>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz repeat’ ones and there is no reason other than lazyness that it should be like that.
You know what KOG? I will be perfectly content with Elesis’ current level of power.
…..If you make her the final boss of the game. She’d be just perfect for the role.
Story? She wants to conquer Elrios so she can change the laws of the land so she can finally marry her little brother! Duh! It’s the one thing you WON’T let her do!
atleast make your arguements just about GrM. BH barely got anything while they killed CrA so your elesis is op thing is a rant of nonsense
I’m starting to think that he has autism.
I have Autism and I’m one of the ones giving him backlash >_>
BH got an improved range game and Sword of Victory you fucking idiot.
Again, NONSENSE! I JUST CHECKED ALL PYRO KNIGHT AND BLAZING HEART SKILLS, AND SHE HAS *NOTHING* LIKE SWORD OF VICTORY!
SWORD OF VICTORY IS STILL *GRAND MASTER EXCLUSIVE*
I suggest you look at [Imperial Blade] a second or 2 longer.. Elly gets a burning blade aura about the size of [Phantom Blade] for 20 seconds. The range isnt nearly as significant as [Sword of Victory], but it did make me wonder why Rune Slayer did not get some sort of similar slight range increase with his [Sword Fire].
Btw I do not think that skill alone constitutes to the improving of her “range game”. Even the horizontal range increases on skills like [Eternal Fire] are negligable. And her main ranged attack [Incarnation of Fire] is pretty damn useless.
You do know Elesis also has Sword Fire, right? Same name and execution. And her version of Sword Fire doesn’t increase her range either. So if RS did get a skill that added to his range, it wouldn’t be Sword Fire.
That said, I guess I didn’t realize Imperial Blade had a bit more range than her Claymore.
Well, I said sword fire because since season 1, before crippling skilltrees, Ara and all the crap thereafter, there was LK with Arma (which was basically a dick move because it was nigh impossible to do anything but run from it) and his RS counterpart with [sword fire] as a sword buff. He got no range increase. Then came Sheath Knight with his [Phantom Blade] and suddenly all elboy except for RS had a 3MP Sword Range buff except for RS.
At the time I found it ridiculous that [Sword Fire] didnt get a rangebuff added to it, making it the odd one out what sword buffs are concerned, hence me mentioning it now. Especially considering Magic Knight is the one class constantly using sword auras. Honestly I would have been fine with RS keeping a blueish Luna Blade Aura slightly longer than his normal sword (obviously after a Luna blade) or a wind blade aura after a storm blade (although that’s just old arma). The point is: It’s the principle, the skill that would give the range to RS’s weapon doesn’t really make a difference.
Well each sword aura is a bit different.
Arma is pure range extension, and I think it goes farther than Phantom. Sword Fire adds fire enchant, but no range. Phantom Sword, however, adds a literal phantom sword that mimics your main sword, causing a secondary attack. I don’t think the Phantom Sword is affected by Way of the Sword, but it does affect it.
so 1 thing outweighs everything else? can this guy read or does he see only what he wants too
He only sees what he wants to.
Are you guys really trying to justify elesis buff? If anything she needed a nerf. Any character after chung needs a fucking nerf. Shit and they EM the 2.0 of Add. Fuck Elesis and Ara seriously too freaking op. That GrM passive was unnecessary wtf are they doing tryingb to make her GoD mode? Most BH just use fire III like a fucking scrub. CrA still needs nerf. Gtfoh Elesis trash. Elswordn eeded this bufff
Great, I was for sure gonna take Eternal Fire…
Now I really am confused.
Is Imperial Blade on par with Eternal Fire now?
Who is the bigger tsundere? Flare Kyn for Endgame, or Endgame for Elesis? :3
Not this shit again.
How am I a tsundere?
* each other to have.
Flamegame, we can ship them now.
You all know this is a joke, right?
This how shipings start, right?
It’s like SeigyDio, no proof but was paired by the rabid “fan” anyway.
Flare Kyn tsundere for Endgame. “please notice me senpai”
I just hate Endgame and want him to shut up.
I’ve got the Tsun, but none of the Dere.
But when he wasn’t posting anything, you were obsessing over him anyway.
Just confess your true feelings. You will feel much better afterward. :3
i see the tsun, but no dere…
besides, how is there dere from someone with such hate of something?
You got them together on a post without slitting each other’s throats.
Or having to call a neurologist or someone to check the brain tumors they diagnose the other to gave.
They are concered with each other after all. That is the dere part probably.
You deserve a medal.
Nope, I got no Dere for Endgame.
Just 100% Tsun.
So I just got around to watching some CA videos after hearing so much about how she’s been nerfed.
-New >>^ZX gives her an auto-aim projectile, new catching/pressure tool.
-Her self-healing was GREATLY buffed.
-Her Stoic – Strong still deals damage, and still rapes anyone who activates it with a multi-hit attack.
I’m sorry, how the fuck was she nerfed? Even before, it was hard to actually win against a competent CA by anything other than timeout. (Which has a chance of rewarding you with Elesis dying!) Now….. ha. Good luck even pulling that one off. Especially if she’s wearing Mech MK4.
(GM is still harder to kill though. Mech MK4 and Knight’s Destiny was overpowered enough when it didn’t give her status immunities…..)
please link because i remember seeing her healing was gutted and her skills used more hp than before
He didn’t play Crimson Avenger before to even know if anything was really nerfed/buffed. Just leave him to rot when he goes off ranting like that. He already made a fool of himself with DW and I’ll be damned before I see him learn any single thing about holding his tongue on his own. Parents must have left that lesson for last I see. Smh.
Those people who think MK-4 is even a good SDG set when there are all these skills that tear down red.
Because she lost a passive that is pretty much a main source for her damage.
I really liked Asura/ LP’s Aerial Blades. It’s rlly sad to see that one go, even though it was just an optional skill… Why’d you guys have to delete it? T ^ T)/
Aerial blades wasn’t that amazing I think, i rarely used it cause i couldn’t cancel in mid air. well either way, fox fire’s trait that lowers it’s mp cost to 60% is good enough replacement as aerial skill. the optional skill for asura now is the Twirly one, which can be replaced with HA depending on situation
But wow, CA took the biggest fall of all in this renewal. Putting aside the fact you can suicide with Injection now (and that it is not reliable as result including the damage lowered (because mp cost 0), CA general skill and gameplay changed to base Elesis all over again. her >>ZZZ combo nerf so bad now. but what’s worst is that the Special active damage output is lower now. and while you’re expected to make use of Dread weapon+the shadow of whatever to perform double attacks in pve, the time limit to have double attack has been lowered significantly, now you have 2 seconds left after dreadweapon’s coolldown passes to use a second dread weapon.
Well Blood cutter wasn’t touched, so im happy for that, but still cmon KOG. at least gimme combo hits back.