Talk:Knockdown

KR knockdown revamp

Guys, don't we have any data on the KD revamp? What I understood from babel is that:

1. There is no launch counter or launch resets anymore, but all launches that previously had 0 KD now had a positive KD value implemented into them; (according to a friend, this is equals 5 for CN's >>X, but this needs confirmation)
2. Air hits decrease KD, including X-drops and the spear hits from CN's >>XZ, despite X-drops not resetting anymore.

However, we need numbers! How much KD was added to the launches that previously had 0 KD? How much KD does each air hit decrease? Do the KD decreases change if I'm using CN's >>XZ or an X-drop from an Elboy, for example?

Also, I've been curious for a while for data on the KD of new attacks that came with the revamp, such as CEmp's >>ZX (pass-through combo) and RF's adjusted combos. Is there no data on that, either?

Naï (talk) 21:40, 18 June 2014 (EDT)

Your information on the KD revamp is a bit incorrect. Only aerial attacks (dash-jump and jump) that normally knockdown (not launch) and horizontal-launch (like Elesis's XXX or IS's ZZZZZ) attacks will decrease the KD counter. The spears from CN's >>XZ shouldn't have any changes since the last spear deals a very small launch.

What about attacks such as a grounded CN's >>ZZZ? Would that decrease KD? I was hoping they hadn't nerfed CN as brutally as I thought they did (unlimited no-X-drops combos was the only thing CN could really boast), but noo, time to switch over to Enhanced Nasod Weapons, is it... ;;

I think a grounded >>ZZZ would decrease KD, though, according to this Babel post... but you're right, a >>XZ shouldn't decrease KD at all: rather, both the electronball and spear parts will have KD, seeing as they're both launches... gg KOG...

BUT STILL, we do need some numbers on this! I don't play KR so I can't test myself. Either way, thanks for the input. -- Naï (talk) 08:50, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

Knockdown Values

• Elsword
• Aisha
• Rena
• Raven
• Eve
• Chung
• Ara
• Elesis
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Elsword Input Knockdown Value Type Z 6.6 - ZZ 6.6 - ZZZ 7.3 - ZZZZ R KD ZZZX +34% Counter extension LA1 X 7.4 - XX 7.4 - XXX R KD XXZ +34% Counter extension LA →→Z 9.2 - →→ZZ 6.6 - →→ZZZ 9.2 P →→X +34% Counter extension - ↑Z 6.6 - ↑X -34~42 KD →→↑Z 7.2 - →→↑ZZ 7.2 - →→↑ZZZ 0 KD →→↑X 8 - →→↑XX R KD Persistent Roll -20 P
Sword Knight Input Knockdown Value Type →→ZX - →→ZXX LA XXX - XXXX - XXXXX - →→↑ZZZ - Kick -50 -	Lord Knight Input Knockdown Value Type ZZZ→Z - →→↑XX - →→↑XXX LA →→XHoldX - →→XHoldXX LA Rolling Smash 0 LA	Knight Emperor Input Knockdown Value Type →→↑ZX - →→↑XZ - →→↑XZZ -
Magic Knight Input Knockdown Value Type →→ZZX P →→ZZ - →→ZZZ - →→↑XZ - XZ - XZZ LA →→↑ZX - →→↑ZXX - Persistent Explosive Fist (-2.5) * 8 - Enhanced (lv81): (-2.5) * 10 -	Rune Slayer Input Knockdown Value Type →→ZZX P →→↑XZ - →→↑XZZ - ZZZ - ZZZZ - →→XHoldZ - Fire Rune 0 R	Rune Master Input Knockdown Value Type →→XX - →→XXZ - →→↑XXZ -
Sheath Knight Input Knockdown Value Type XX - XX~X - XX~XX KD XX~XZ LA →→ZZ - →→↑ZZZ - Persistent Sword Shield -3 * 15 -	Infinity Sword Input Knockdown Value Type ZZZ - ZZZZ LA ZZZZZ LA1 →→↑XX - →→↑XXX - →→XX LA →→XXX LA3 Compact Counter (assumed 0?) LA [Persistent]: -7.5 * 2 -	Immortal Input Knockdown Value Type →→XZ P →→XZX - →→↑ZX - →→↑ZXZ -

Aisha Input Knockdown Value Type Z 9 - ZZ 9 - ZZZ 9 KD ZZ↑Z -18 LA ZZ↑ZZ LA1 X 7 - XX 7 - XXX 10 - XXXX KD XX↓X LA XX→X -63 LA2 ↑Z 9 - ↑X 0 - →→Z 9 - →→ZZ -18 LA3 →→ZX KD →→X 7 P →→↑Z -18 LA →→↑X 7 - →→↑XX 0 (?) -
High Magician Input Knockdown Value Type XX↓X 5 * 3 - XX↓XX 7 LA →→XX 0 - ZZX 2,2 per hit - ZZXX - →→↑ZX -15 * 3 - →→↑ZXX -15 * 4~10 - Flame Wave 0 -	Elemental Master Input Knockdown Value Type XZZ XXZZ 3 * 1~6 - ZZ↑ZZ ? LA1 XZ XXZ 2 * 3~4 - →→ZX 13 - →→ZXX 5 * 3 - →→ZXXX 7 LA →→↑X 7 - →→↑XX 0 - →→↑XXX 0 - XX←X 10 P Circle Flame 0 -	Aether Sage Input Knockdown Value Type →→XZ * 3 - →→ZZX -
Dark Magician Input Knockdown Value Type XX←X 1,3 per hit - ZZ↑­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­ZZ 1 per hit (?) - →→ZX 13 - →→ZXX 1,3 per hit - →→↑­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­ZX 2 per hit - XX↓X 7 LA XX↓XZ -80 LA2 XXXHoldX -18 LA ↑X -9 LA Dark Wave 0 / -5 per hit (skill trait) - Mana Steal 0 / -10 -	Void Princess Input Knockdown Value Type ZZ→Z 10 - ZZ→ZZ -42 LA1 →→↑X -9 LA →→XX 2 per hit - Petite Angkor 0 / -3 per hit - Petit Angkor - Heavy Stone 0 -	Oz Sorcerer Input Knockdown Value Type →→↑ZZ - XX↑X - XX↑XX -
Battle Magician Input Knockdown Value Type Lv. 4 Z 7 - ZZ 6 - ZZZ 9 - ZZZZ ? KD →→Z 7 - →→ZZ -18 LA3 →→ZX 10 - →→ZXX 8 - →→ZXXX 0 (bugged) - LA →→↑ZX 0 - - →→↑ZXX 2 * per hit (?) - - Energy Wave 0 - - Energy Drain 0 / -10 per hit (skill trait) - -	Dimension Witch Input Knockdown value Type Lv. 4 XX↓XX →→ZXXXX 15+15+0 (?) - - →→X 2,4 per hit - - →→XX 22 in total - - →→↑X 2,4 per hit - - →→↑XZ 0 - - →→↑XZZ 22 in total - - X 1,2 per hit - - XX 1,2 per hit - - XXX ? - - XXXHoldX ? - - ↑X 1,65 per hit - - Worm Hole 0 / -3 per hit (skill trait) - -	Metamorphy Input Knockdown Value Type ZZZX - →→XZ * 7 -

Rena Input Knockdown Value Type Z - ZZ - ZZZ - ZZZZ KD ZZZ↑Z LA3 ZZZX P, KD X - XX - XXX ? + ? - XXXX KD XXX↑X * 3 KD XXX↓X * 3 KD ↑Z (assumed same as Z) - ↑X - ↑↑Z - ↑↑X * 3 - →→Z (assumed same as Z) - →→ZZ LA →→X P, KD →→↑Z - →→↑X - →→↑XX - →→↑XXX (seems this is 0 now?) * 3 KD Siege Mode Ready - Siege Mode Z * 2 - Siege Mode X * 5 -
Sniping Ranger Input Knockdown Value Type X - XX ? + ? - XXX ? + ? - XXXX - ↑↑X - ↑↑XX - →→X P →→XX - →→ZX ? * 3 P Arc Shot (assumed 0) R	Grand Archer Input Knockdown Value Type ZZX ZZZX P ZZXX ZZZXX ? * 3 KD →→↑ZX →→↑XZ →→↑XXZ LA →→↑ZXX →→↑XZZ →→↑XXZZ ? * 3 KD	Daybreaker Input Knockdown Value Type XZ XXZ - ZX - ZXX -
Combat Ranger Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 Z - ZZ - ZZZ - ZZZZ - ZZZ↑Z LA3 ↑↑Z - ↑↑ZZ * 4 * 4 LA →→Z - →→ZZ - →→ZZZ LA →→↑Z - →→↑ZZ - →→↑ZZZ KD XZ XXZ - XZZ XXZZ XZZZ XXZZZ	Wind Sneaker Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 ZZ→Z - ZZ→ZZ - ZZ→ZZZ LA1 →→XZ - →→XZZ LA1 →→↑XZ →→↑XXZ ? + ? ? + ? -	Anemos Input Knockdown value Type Lv.4 →→ZX →→ZZX ? + ? - →→↑XZX →→↑XXZX -
Trapping Ranger Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 ZZZ 15 8.25 - ZZZZ 10 5.5 - ZZZZZ - KD ↑Z - →→ZX P →→↑Z - →→↑ZZ P ↑↑XX ↑↑ZX P	Night Watcher Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 ZX - ZXX - ZXXX LA1 XXX (? + ?) * 2 - - ZZZX →→X →→↑X ? + ? - - →→ →↑Z - - →→ →↑ZZ - LA →→↑XZ ? + ? ? + ? - →→XZ - →→XZHold Z - →→XZHold Z(Cancel) P	Twilight Input Knockdown value Type Lv.4 →→ZXX - →→ZXXX - →→↑ZX ? + ? -

Raven Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 Z (assumed 9~9.5) - ZZ - ZZZ - ZZZZ LA1 ZZZX * 7 * 7 - LA1 ZZX - ZZXX LA X - XX - XXX KD ↑Z (assumed same as Z) - ↑X (assumed -50) KD →→Z - →→ZZ KD →→X - →→↑Z (assumed same as Z) - →→↑ZZ KD →→↑X KD
Sword Taker Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 XXZ - XXZ~Z * 10 * 10 - XXZ~ZZ LA1 →→ZZ - →→ZZZ LA3 XZ - XZZ LA3 XZZZ LA3 →→↑ZZ - →→↑ZZZ ? + ? ? + ? - →→↑ZZZZ -	Blade Master Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 ZZZX LA LA3 ZZZX~Z LA2 ZZZ↑Z LA	Furious Blade Input Knockdown value Type Lv.4 →→ZZ - →→ZZZ LA3 →→↑ZX
Over Taker Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 XX→X - KD XX→X~X * 4 * 4 - KD XX↓X LA →→↑ZX - →→↑ZXX * 5 * 5 - →→ZX	Reckless Fist Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 ZZX→X P ZZX→XX LA1 →→↑X * 6 * 6 - →→↑XX LA ZZZX * * -	Rage Hearts Input Knockdown value Type Lv.4 →→ZX - →→ZXX P →→↑XX -
Weapon Taker Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 X - XX - XXX ? + ? ? + ? - LA3 XXX~X - LA3 →→↑ZX - →→↑ZXX LA →→ZZ - →→ZZZ - →→ZZZ HOLD Z * 10 * 10 -	Veteran Commander Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 →→↑X LA →→↑XX LA →→↑XX~X * 8 * 8 - LA →→↑XXX Flame Trail - Napalm Grenade * 3 * 3 - ZZZX - ZZZXX LA3 ZZZ→X P ZZZ→XX -	Nova Imperator Input Knockdown value Type Lv.4 X↓X * 3 - X↓XX →→↑XZ -

Eve Input Knockdown value Type Z 9 - ZZ 9 - ZZZ 11 - ZZZZ ? x2 LA3 ZZZX 0 - ZZZ↓Z ? LA X 0 + 7 - XX 0 + 7 - XXX ? LA3 XX→X 10 - XX→XX ? LA3 XX↓X ? - XX↓XX ? LA3 ↑Z 9 - ↑X ? x2 KD →→Z ? - →→X 0 + Possibly (-10) LA →→↑Z 9 - →→↑ZZ 9 - →→↑ZZZ ? LA2 →→↑X 0 + 7 - Photon Flash 0 P, likely R with True/Enhanced
Code: Exotic Input Knockdown value Type ZZZ↓Z 12 - ZZZ↓ZZ 14 LA →→Z 13 - →→ZZ 13 - →→ZZZ ? LA1 →→X 13 LA →→XZ 0 x3 + 5 LA →→↑ZX →→↑ZZX 10 + 4 x3 - Metal Dust Aura (assumed negative) - (assumed negative) * ticks -	Code: Nemesis Input Knockdown value Type →→ZX 9 P →→ZXX 8 - XXZ ? x2 R XXZZ~ ? x6 - XXZZ~Z ? - ZZHoldX 0 x11 - →→↑XZ ? x3~4 LA1 if last spear connects Tesla Shock: Short -50 - Spear Burst 0 + 0 LA3 Enhance Nasod's Weapon -8 -	Code: Ultimate Input Knockdown value Type ZX 8.5 - ZXX LA1 →→ZZX ? - →→ZZXX ? - →→ZZXXX ? LA1
Code: Architecture Input Knockdown value Type XXZ x6 - →→↑XZ - →→Z - →→ZX P Mega Electron Ball: Justice (used to be positive) -	Code: Empress Input Knockdown value Type →→ZZ - →→ZZZ - →→↑ZX, →→↑ZZX LA, R XX↓X LA3, LA ZZX ZZXX Tesla Shock: Swing -15 + -15 - →→XX -	Code: Esencia Input Knockdown value Type ZX - ZXX →→↑XX -
Code: Electra Input Knockdown value Type X - - →→X LA - ZZZ→Z LA2 XXZ LA2 →→Z - - - - →→ZZ - - - - →→ZZZ - - - P	Battle Seraph Input Knockdown value Type →→↑XZ - →→↑ZX - - - P →→XX LA2 Tesla Shock: Spear -40 -	Battle Seraph Input Knockdown value Type ZZX - →→↑ZXZ -

Chung Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 Lv.4 Z (assumed 9~9.5???) - ZZ - ZZZ - ZZZZ LA2 ZZZX - - * 5 - * 5 - - LA3 ZZ↓Z LA ZZ↓ZZ LA3 X - XX ? + ? ? + ? ? + ? - XXX - LA3 XXZ * 4 * 4 * 4 - XXZX * 5 - * 5 - - LA3 ↑↓ LA ↑Z (assumed same as Z) - ↑X (probably not -50. hopefully) LA2 →→Z (probably negative) - - LA →→X LA3, P - LA1 →→↑Z (assumed same as Z) - →→↑ZZ LA - LA →→↑X - LA3 Siege Shelling Ready (assumed 0) - Siege Shelling Z (assumed positive) - Siege Shelling X * 5 - - - LA3
Fury Guardian Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 ZZX ? + ? ? + ? - LA3 →→Z - →→ZZ - →→ZZZ LA →→↑ZX P →→↑ZXX KD Heavy Stance X - -	Iron Paladin Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 ↑↓Z Leap Attack Z - ↑↓ZZ ZZ - LA →→X P - →→XZ - →→XZZ * 5 * 5 - →→XZZZ LA →→XZZX KD Sudden Burster - * 3 * 3 - ↑↓ Quake (assumed positive) - -	Comet Crusader Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 ZZZ - ZZZZ →→XX -
Shooting Guardian Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 XZ - * 3 * 3 - XZZ - →→X P - →→XX ? + ? ? + ? - →→XXX - ? ? LA1 →→↑X~X * 5 * 5 -	Deadly Chaser Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 X - - ZZX LA ZZXX * 10 * 10 LA2 (probably huge???) LA3 ZZXXX - LA3 Rumble Shot - Leg Shot - Rapid Cannon -	Fatal Phantom Input Knockdown value Type Lv.4 XZX LA →→↑X~XZ -
Shelling Guardian Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 ZZZX * 5 * 5 - LA3 X - - XX - - LA3 XZX * 5 * 5 LA3 LA3 →→Z - - →→ZZ - - →→ZZX - LA3 →→↑ZX - - Siege Shelling X ? * 6 ? * 6 - LA3	Tactical Trooper Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 ZZX - - ZZXX - - →→X - P - →→XX - - →→↑XX - Mobile Shelling X -	Centurion Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.4 →→XZ - →→↑XXZ - -

Ara Input Knockdown value Type 100% or Lv.17 Lv.17 Z 6 - ZZ 6 - ZZZ * 2 4 * 2 * 2 - ZZZZ (probably negative) LA1 ZZX 0? LA ZZZX - (probably negative) LA1 X apparently 14 9 - XX - XXX * 2 - XXXX~ (? + ?) * 3 - XXXXX - (probably negative) LA XX↓X - - XX↓XX LA ↑Z 5 - ↑X ??? LA2 →→Z * 2 * 2 * 2 - →→ZX (probably negative) LA1 →→X LA →→↑Z 16? - →→↑ZZ LA3 →→↑ZZZ (probably negative) KD →→↑X P Energy Absorption 0 0 0 R
Little Hsien Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.17 →→ZZ - ↑ZZ - ZZXX ? + ? -	Sakra Devanam Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.17 →→↑ZX ? + ? - →→↑↑←Z (probably negative) LA2
Little Devil Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.17 →→↑ZX - →→↑ZXX * 3 * 3 - ZZXX * 3 - ZZZ→Z -	Yama Raja Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.17 →→↑XZ * 3 * 3 - →→ZZ * 3 * 3 - High Speed (used to be positive in S3) P
Little Specter Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.17 →→X LA →→XX ? + ? + ? - XXXX~XZ ? + ? + ? - →→↑ZX 0 -	Asura Input Knockdown value Type 100% Lv.17 XX↓XZ~Z - * 12 * 12 - XX↓XZ~ZX * 5 * 5 LA3 →→↑ZXX ? + ? + ? -

All values are estimates and not 100% accurate. Basic Z commands are most likely 9.6666... KD, for example

Elesis Input Knockdown Value Type Z 9.5 - ZZ 8 - ZZZ 8 - ZZZZ -20 LA ZZZX -40 KD X 14 - XX 14 - XXX 0 - -30 LA1 XXZ 0 - -30 LA →→Z 9.5 - →→ZZ (assumed negative) LA1 →→X -20 LA ↑Z 9.5 - ↑X -50 KD →→↑Z 9.5 - →→↑ZZ 8 - →→↑ZZZ -40 KD →→↑X 14 - →→↑XX (assumed negative) KD
Saber Knight Input Knockdown Value Type →→ZZ 14 - →→ZZZ 8 P →→↑ZX, →→↑ZZX 14 ? →→↑ZXX, →→↑ZZXX 8 ? →→↑XX 14 - →→↑XXX 8 -	Grand Master Input Knockdown Value Type ZZZXX (mash) 4.5 * 8 ? →→ZZX 8 - →→XX (mash) 3.5 * (3~10) ? →→↑XZ 0 + 14 - XX↓X~X 4.5 * 7 - XX↓X~X 4.5 LA3
Pyro Knight Input Knockdown Value Type →→ZZ - →→ZZZ ? + ? + ? - →→ZX ? + ? + ? P →→↑XZ (? + ?) * 3 -	Blazing Heart Input Knockdown Value Type XZ ? + (? * 2) - XZZ (? * 3) + (? * 2) - XZZZ ? LA3 →→X ? + ? - →→XX ? + ? - →→XXX ? + ? - →→XXXZ ? + ? + ? -
Dark Knight Input Knockdown Value Type ZZZX ? * 4 - ZZZXX ? * 2 - ZZZXX ? * 6 - XXZ LA XXX~ ? * 4 - XXX~X LA →→↑XX - →→↑XXX ? + (? + ?) -	Crimson Avenger Input Knockdown Value Type →→ZZ - →→ZZZ ? + (? * 2) - →→ZZZ~ (? + ? * 3) * 5 - →→ZZZ~Z ? + ? * 4 LA1 →→ZX - →→ZXX ? + ? - KD →→ZXX HOLD ? * 10 - KD

Add Input Knockdown Value Type 100% Lv.17 Z (probably 9~9.5) - ZZ - ZZZ ? + ? - ZZZZ LA ZZX ? + ? LA ZZXX (assumed negative) LA1 ZZZX - X - XX - XXX (assumed negative) LA3 XXZ ? + ? - XXZ~Z ? * 9 ? * 9 - XXZ~ZZ (assumed negative) LA3 ↑Z - ↑X (assumed negative) * 3 * 3 KD →→Z * 4 * 4 - →→ZZ LA3 →→ZZZ (assumed negative) LA1 →→X P →→XX - →→XXX (assumed negative) LA1 →→↑Z - →→↑ZZ - →→↑ZZZ - →→↑X ? * 3 ? * 3 - →→↑XX - Awakening Configuration Activation -
Psychic Tracer Input Knockdown Value Type ? ?	Lunatic Psyker Input Knockdown Value Type ? ?
Arc Tracer Input Knockdown Value Type 100% Lv.17 →→ZX - →→ZXX - →→ZXXX (probably negative) LA1 →→Z←X - →→Z←XX - →→Z←XXX (probably negative) LA3	Mastermind Input Knockdown Value Type 100% Lv.17 XX↓X~ * 10 * 10 - XX↓X~X (probably negative) LA3 →→↑XZ - →→↑XZZ -
Time Tracer Input Knockdown Value Type 100% Lv.17 ZZXX -	Diabolic Esper Input Knockdown Value Type 100% Lv.17 XXXX - XXXZ - DP mode XXXX * 3 * 3 - (probably negative) LA3 DP mode XXXZ -