User talk:Shironsaki

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Nyx Pieta's sickle has a resemblance to the relics he uses.

Morpheus' sickle reflects his blood moon power through its black and red color scheme. I didn't say anything suggesting it wasn't a sickle as Morpheus.

Its very vague. It already pretty obvious 3rd job the design of the sickle will be like designed based on the class aesthetics. You cant expect to look at morpheus icon and expect a white weapon...

If you really want to put that trivia, it should at least be on clamor page as he is the weapon. Something along the lines like “Clamor design as a sickle changes in each of noah 3rd jobs to reflect the power of moon that that class focuses on.”

Can't really put it on Clamor's page 'cause of Nyx.

As for everything else, I guess you have a point.

Just put except for nyx as he broke at 2nd job

That doesn't exactly work because it's the sickle that's changing, not Clamor himself. But I think I figured something out.

The tabs weren't interfering with the links, it's just that some of the things that should've been links didn't have the brackets around them. Also, Laby, Noah, and Lithia have different EXP/ED rewards than Elsword~Ain for their Basic/Intermediate/Advanced/Expert Skill Quests.

I havent changed the trans skills, please go to any character lvl 90 locked passive and press on the link and see if it works. also the difference in exp ed reward is insignicant, can just easily add in (Elsword~Ain only) or (Laby~Lithia only) because from what i see, its either 1 side have while the other side is a zero.

They are working. I also checked a past version of the page from before you made the edits, and the links worked there as well. As I said before, it was just that some of the things that should've been links didn't have the [] brackets surrounding them to turn them into links (for example, the "Underground Prison" in the description of Laby's Expert Training 2/2).

Edit: Actually, thinking about it, maybe it is better this way. I also just noticed that you colored some of the links to the same color as the in-game text, which is good.

I'm not talking about the links in the Skill Quest pages. I'm talking about the laby~lithia lock skills pages where the skill requirements has a link to the skill quest page. Before, pressing the link will not link it to the character tabs. As the tabs would be at the top, the link will send it to the section by will always be for elsword~ain

Oh! My mistake. I misunderstood what was going on.

Some of Demersio's Path's skills references "The Abyss" directly as a place instead of just as a sort of power, and the original KR background even referes to Lu as the "Emotionless Lord of the Abyss". Their Master Class skill is also literally described as them "materializing the Abyss". It is clear there is a connection between their power and the Abyss pits, specially seeing as the Abyss's Demonic Energy is a denser, stronger version of Demonic energy, which is pratically what they use.

Not counting how this was also mentioned on Turbids's trivia beforehand, linking it to Innocent path.

Denser, stronger version of demonic energy is still demonic energy. ID also mentioned that they use a power born from abyss, which manifest as ID.

Also according to lore, abyss is a area where demonic energy flows out, in this case from both lu and ciel. Thats why they can create an “abyss”.

Still i think it's worth nothing on their trivia the connection between them and the Abyss pits, since essentially, they themselves became "abyss pits" that manifest the abyssal demonic power from within themselves.

Even so, the way you worded it makes it sound like they draw their power from a source instead of them creating it.

I might have worded it badly yeah lol, my badt. My intent was more to connect the abyssal power they use to the abyssal pits since they're obviously related in essence.

It kinda also makes sense for them "Becoming" abyssal pits since one of the demons mentions that the abyss pits are more like a biological entity instead of just a natural phenomenon.

I rewrote it abit and moved it to emptiness since thats where the contract started and already got some skills with abyss

I saw it yeah, thanks for adjusting it!

I just checked, and the only things mentioned on the individual class path pages are Crimson Avenger's personality change and how Divinus Manus prevented Adrestia from being completely assimilated.

Also, we kinda have similar bits of trivia on other base job pages, like Ain's hair color and Noah's moon phase focus.

The trivia section is quite cluttered, thats why i feel it not needed. There was already a previous trivia that said Elsword and Elesis are conceptional 2 different character/playstyles.

As for the trivia bits, for Empire Sword case, I'm trying not to associate too much with Knight Emperor as again it should be her own character. Pyro Knight touched upon the fire affinity as Elsword learns fire magic while Elesis is kinda of more a fire blender and shoot flames instead of magic. Crimson Avenger change personality while bloody queen emphasized more on her relation to genesis. Adrestia is more of El but have relation to Immortal.

Other job pages has those trivia is because they are talking about the different paths that said character undergo. Tbh I'm trying to reduce the number of words for Add, Ain and Noah. I'm already planning to move the noah bit to the moonlight system page.

It's still true that they both focus on traditional swordsmanship, though. But that doesn't mean they're the same, as "traditional" is still somewhat vague in this regard, especially since they're using different types of swords.

"Fire blender" is a funny typo. Makes me thing of a blender that blends fire. Anyway, her flames might still be a form of magic, and Pyro Knight's NA background does call it fire magic.

As for everything else, yeah, that makes sense.

The kr background actually didnt mentioned any fire magic, she has the ability to create flames and manipulate it. The NA normally normalize the terms like how demonic-fused el = Dark el, which is not accurate to the real dark el

done

I don't think it was mistranslated, as Apeiron prevents you from dying and triggers the healing field at the same time.

the wording is weird lol

True. Perhaps we should add a piece of trivia or something clarifying what it means?

Adding a "Tips and Details" section if need be.

That would be appreciated. I tried to do it myself, but I wasn't able to decide on how to go about it.

I just wanted to tell you that I wasn't trying to say that all of Noah's Moon Phases became Red Moon (I didn't even know about the Red Moon Phase), just that the gauge and Full Moon bead turned red.

I only see six cubes in his artwork, and the cube he's holding in his ready animation looks more like a miniature Distortion Zone than a physical Dynamo. Plus, "Dynamo" had always referred to all six of the devices he made from the parts of the AI unit he salvaged by the same name before that point.

oops i counted wrong. Also for Dominator dynamo does not only reflect his weapon as he made a dynamo factory.

dead end discussion.

She only needs one hand to hold her bow. Sure, her other hand is needed to shoot the arrows, but it can also still be used to punch things. Especially since Raven only ever uses his Nasod Arm when punching.

In the video u can see she was trained by stella to use 2 hands. For Raven its because his Nasod arm by itself is strong enf to do significant damage. Hard to imagine punching with one hand all the time. Even laby need 2 arms to assume the stance for punching.

It wasn't explicitly stated that she was trained to use both hands, plus she doesn't change her bow into a crossbow until she becomes Wind Sneaker, meaning that training to punch with both hands at that time would be pointless because she still held her bow as Combat Ranger. I believe the reason she wasn't holding her bow during Stella's training was simply because it was just that: training, not actual combat.

Edit: Minor wording fix.

Look at the video properly. She trained both hands, as you see in that stance. Also the video stated that she continue to fight with fists and kicks but she is holding a bow, meaning that if she didnt have a bow, she will be punching and kicking. Wind Sneaker also doesnt change to a crossbow. She just mounted the bow on her hand, without a trigger, so she still need both hands to fire.

Her stance was just her right arm thrust out, as if she had just punched. Yes, I did see how she had her left arm in that scene, but to me, it looked like it was more to stabilize her stance than an intent to throw a punch with said arm (could be mistaken, though).

Even if it's not a crossbow (which if it's not, then the Trivia section on Wind Sneaker's page needs to be changed), my point was that her bow wasn't arm-mounted until she became Wind Sneaker and was still holding it in her hand as Combat Ranger. Regardless, nothing was stopping her from punching with her right hand, neither canonically nor in-game.

Edit: Also, the fact she had her bow as Combat Ranger in the video means she still canonically used her bow as Combat Ranger.

What I'm trying to get at is that because Combat Ranger's bow isn't arm mounted like Wind Sneaker's and Anemos', and because she's shown holding her bow while fighting the Nasods as Combat Ranger in that path's video, she wouldn't have been able to punch with her left arm even in canon unless she did so while holding her bow, which would contradict your excuse of her not punching because she's holding her bow. So either Combat Ranger only punched with her right arm (which I personally believe), or she punched with her left arm even while her bow was in her left hand, both of which would still have allowed her to have punching commands/skills in-game.

The video just says she uses fist and kicks because that's the martial artist style of fighting, it shouldn't have any relation to in game commands and skills. Also the point about holding the weapon is because for example if she is freehand for some reason, I'm sure she would be free to punch and kick, but in the video she just says she uses fists and kicks but is holding a bow. In-game stuff you need to remember that only the promotional weapon is mounted on, but still uses a normal bow for any other stuff. It would be awkward for animations and stuff. Anyway i moved the trivia to combat ranger and modified it abit.

Yes, only Wind Sneaker's and Anemos' promo weapons are mounted on. But not Combat Ranger's, and the mention of her using fists is while she's still Combat Ranger. That was the main point I was trying to make, the fact that the video stated that Combat Ranger was using her fists despite it also showing her to still be holding her bow, which would mean that she either only used her free arm to punch as Combat Ranger or her bow wasn't stopping her from punching with her left arm.

And before you mention her Item Mall/Ice Burner costumes, those don't matter. They're not canon, and it's the player's choice to use them.

Btw, I just googled this, and apparently there are martial arts that almost exclusively only use kicks.

… she is trained in the elven warrior fighting style that includes punch and kicks. Thats why say says fists and kicks. Unless you can prove that the elven warrior style is kicks only. Hell even the dark elves uses knives when barehand. Also my earlier point was that if she wasnt holding a bow, she will be able to punch more. I dont know why you want to make a big deal but the fact is how awkward the animation will be if you are holding a bow and just punching with one hand.

Bottomline is that even if there is no commands or skills that punches, doesn’t mean that she doesn’t punch in the canon story.

Okay, I think we got lost here, because this entire discussion was supposed to be about how Anemos' gameplay contradicts her story video because the latter says she used her fists but the former has nothing involving her fists. The argument I was trying to make was that it was very possible for her to have punching commands/skills in-game because the video said that Combat Ranger, who still held her bow in her hand in that same video, was using her fists, meaning that either she could have only been using her free hand to punch or that holding her bow didn't stop her from punching with her bow hand, so the fact there are no such commands/skills in-game despite it being very possible to have them contradicts the video.

Like i said, just because she says she uses fists doesn’t mean she doesn’t do it off screen. Using fists is part of her fighting style.

It is possible to, yes, but there was no need for punching animations. The way you wrote the trivia was like she must have a punching animation just because she said she uses her fist.

How does one use a fist to fight if not punching?

All I'm saying is that her in-game fighting style contradicts what the video says her fighting style is. If the Anemos path canonically uses her fists when fighting, then why is it not reflected in-game?

Because her fist techniques are part of her elven warrior style, which she learned during before combat ranger. After wind sneaker she began to shift the mana flow from arrows at her hands to her feet, meaning she would shift the energy to her feet, so she doesnt use her fist anymore because there is no need to.

Its not reflected in game because her techniques shifted to kicks as she advances. She only said she used her fist during combat ranger when she didnt have mana infusion according to the video. So it wrong to say that ‘Anemos path canonically uses her fists’. Just because she can doesn’t mean she needs to.

As far as the video goes, there is no mention of her not using her fists after advancing to Wind Sneaker, nor of her sending her mana specifically to her feet. What the video said was that she gained the ability to enhance herself physically using her mana and that she arrived at the sanctum using close-quarters combat.

And I just checked the backgrounds and class advance quests of all of her paths, and I didn't catch this before, but it turns out that none of them ever mentioned that she used her fists (unless it was in some old versions of them, but the current ones have no mention of it). The only close-quarter attacks they mentioned were kicks, which means the video is legit the very first mention of her using her fists. And there's still no specific mention of sending her mana to her feet.

Anyway, I think this has gone on a bit too long, and if this doesn't convince you, I doubt arguing further will do anything.

Edit: Forgot a few words.

I still think the line she said where she uses her fists is just a metaphor for her elf warrior martial arts techniques. Like when she trained with stella she demonstrated punches while maintaining a stance with 2 hands, meaning without the bow she would be capable of punching and kicking.

I still find ur trivia to be wrong as the way you stated it, she ‘must‘ have punching combos/skills just because she said ‘fist’.

To me its, before base, she learns punching and kicking techniques as per her elf warrior training. Combat ranger she holds a bow most of the time, so it would be better to just kick. Windsneaker even though the bow is smaller is still offsets her balance so she focuses on kicks.