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*A crusader is a christian chevalier but a chevalier is not necessarily a crusader. But I agree with what has been said upwards, Innocent’s title has to be understood with having in mind crusades.<br>Is a chevalier really noble? I don’t think so. Apart from the adoubement ceremony (what English calls accolade) and the feudalism system. However Ciel is dedicated to Lu, so Ciel is the vassal, Lu is the overlord according to the feudalism system: the chevalier (vassal) swears an oath to his seigneur (overlord) --[[User:Antiaris|Antiaris]] ([[User talk:Antiaris|talk]]) 01:31, 29 December 2017 (UTC) | *A crusader is a christian chevalier but a chevalier is not necessarily a crusader. But I agree with what has been said upwards, Innocent’s title has to be understood with having in mind crusades.<br>Is a chevalier really noble? I don’t think so. Apart from the adoubement ceremony (what English calls accolade) and the feudalism system. However Ciel is dedicated to Lu, so Ciel is the vassal, Lu is the overlord according to the feudalism system: the chevalier (vassal) swears an oath to his seigneur (overlord) --[[User:Antiaris|Antiaris]] ([[User talk:Antiaris|talk]]) 01:31, 29 December 2017 (UTC) | ||
**to that point, present day catholocism (and history in general) frowns upon the crusade era as a dark time of human ignorance (it's not called the dark ages for nothing) so only somone with a poor understanding or incredible bias would say that being a chevalier (at least in the context of lu/ciels job path) is noble. | **to that point, present day catholocism (and history in general) frowns upon the crusade era as a dark time of human ignorance (it's not called the dark ages for nothing) so only somone with a poor understanding or incredible bias would say that being a chevalier (at least in the context of lu/ciels job path) is noble. | ||
--Regardless of the connotations it received during the Crusades, Chevalier is simply the french term for Knight. Nothing more than that, plain and simple. It's not like we have a massive detail about Noblesse other than it simply being french for a noble. | |||
I can remove any notions of noble or christianity or the elite or what have you if you so wish, then it's 100% unbiased. | |||
--[[User:ED Senne|ED Senne]] ([[User talk:ED Senne|talk]]) 11:37, 29 December 2017 (UTC) | |||