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dead end discussion.

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

She only needs one hand to hold her bow. Sure, her other hand is needed to shoot the arrows, but it can also still be used to punch things. Especially since Raven only ever uses his Nasod Arm when punching.

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

In the video u can see she was trained by stella to use 2 hands. For Raven its because his Nasod arm by itself is strong enf to do significant damage. Hard to imagine punching with one hand all the time. Even laby need 2 arms to assume the stance for punching.

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

It wasn't explicitly stated that she was trained to use both hands, plus she doesn't change her bow into a crossbow until she becomes Wind Sneaker, meaning that training to punch with both hands at that time would be pointless because she still held her bow as Combat Ranger. I believe the reason she wasn't holding her bow during Stella's training was simply because it was just that: training, not actual combat.

Edit: Minor wording fix.

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

Look at the video properly. She trained both hands, as you see in that stance. Also the video stated that she continue to fight with fists and kicks but she is holding a bow, meaning that if she didnt have a bow, she will be punching and kicking. Wind Sneaker also doesnt change to a crossbow. She just mounted the bow on her hand, without a trigger, so she still need both hands to fire.

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

Her stance was just her right arm thrust out, as if she had just punched. Yes, I did see how she had her left arm in that scene, but to me, it looked like it was more to stabilize her stance than an intent to throw a punch with said arm (could be mistaken, though).

Even if it's not a crossbow (which if it's not, then the Trivia section on Wind Sneaker's page needs to be changed), my point was that her bow wasn't arm-mounted until she became Wind Sneaker and was still holding it in her hand as Combat Ranger. Regardless, nothing was stopping her from punching with her right hand, neither canonically nor in-game.

Edit: Also, the fact she had her bow as Combat Ranger in the video means she still canonically used her bow as Combat Ranger.

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

What I'm trying to get at is that because Combat Ranger's bow isn't arm mounted like Wind Sneaker's and Anemos', and because she's shown holding her bow while fighting the Nasods as Combat Ranger in that path's video, she wouldn't have been able to punch with her left arm even in canon unless she did so while holding her bow, which would contradict your excuse of her not punching because she's holding her bow. So either Combat Ranger only punched with her right arm (which I personally believe), or she punched with her left arm even while her bow was in her left hand, both of which would still have allowed her to have punching commands/skills in-game.

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

The video just says she uses fist and kicks because that's the martial artist style of fighting, it shouldn't have any relation to in game commands and skills. Also the point about holding the weapon is because for example if she is freehand for some reason, I'm sure she would be free to punch and kick, but in the video she just says she uses fists and kicks but is holding a bow. In-game stuff you need to remember that only the promotional weapon is mounted on, but still uses a normal bow for any other stuff. It would be awkward for animations and stuff. Anyway i moved the trivia to combat ranger and modified it abit.

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

Yes, only Wind Sneaker's and Anemos' promo weapons are mounted on. But not Combat Ranger's, and the mention of her using fists is while she's still Combat Ranger. That was the main point I was trying to make, the fact that the video stated that Combat Ranger was using her fists despite it also showing her to still be holding her bow, which would mean that she either only used her free arm to punch as Combat Ranger or her bow wasn't stopping her from punching with her left arm.

And before you mention her Item Mall/Ice Burner costumes, those don't matter. They're not canon, and it's the player's choice to use them.

Btw, I just googled this, and apparently there are martial arts that almost exclusively only use kicks.

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

… she is trained in the elven warrior fighting style that includes punch and kicks. Thats why say says fists and kicks. Unless you can prove that the elven warrior style is kicks only. Hell even the dark elves uses knives when barehand. Also my earlier point was that if she wasnt holding a bow, she will be able to punch more. I dont know why you want to make a big deal but the fact is how awkward the animation will be if you are holding a bow and just punching with one hand.

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

Bottomline is that even if there is no commands or skills that punches, doesn’t mean that she doesn’t punch in the canon story.

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

Okay, I think we got lost here, because this entire discussion was supposed to be about how Anemos' gameplay contradicts her story video because the latter says she used her fists but the former has nothing involving her fists. The argument I was trying to make was that it was very possible for her to have punching commands/skills in-game because the video said that Combat Ranger, who still held her bow in her hand in that same video, was using her fists, meaning that either she could have only been using her free hand to punch or that holding her bow didn't stop her from punching with her bow hand, so the fact there are no such commands/skills in-game despite it being very possible to have them contradicts the video.

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

Like i said, just because she says she uses fists doesn’t mean she doesn’t do it off screen. Using fists is part of her fighting style.

It is possible to, yes, but there was no need for punching animations. The way you wrote the trivia was like she must have a punching animation just because she said she uses her fist.

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

How does one use a fist to fight if not punching?

All I'm saying is that her in-game fighting style contradicts what the video says her fighting style is. If the Anemos path canonically uses her fists when fighting, then why is it not reflected in-game?

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

Because her fist techniques are part of her elven warrior style, which she learned during before combat ranger. After wind sneaker she began to shift the mana flow from arrows at her hands to her feet, meaning she would shift the energy to her feet, so she doesnt use her fist anymore because there is no need to.

Its not reflected in game because her techniques shifted to kicks as she advances. She only said she used her fist during combat ranger when she didnt have mana infusion according to the video. So it wrong to say that ‘Anemos path canonically uses her fists’. Just because she can doesn’t mean she needs to.

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

As far as the video goes, there is no mention of her not using her fists after advancing to Wind Sneaker, nor of her sending her mana specifically to her feet. What the video said was that she gained the ability to enhance herself physically using her mana and that she arrived at the sanctum using close-quarters combat.

And I just checked the backgrounds and class advance quests of all of her paths, and I didn't catch this before, but it turns out that none of them ever mentioned that she used her fists (unless it was in some old versions of them, but the current ones have no mention of it). The only close-quarter attacks they mentioned were kicks, which means the video is legit the very first mention of her using her fists. And there's still no specific mention of sending her mana to her feet.

Anyway, I think this has gone on a bit too long, and if this doesn't convince you, I doubt arguing further will do anything.

Edit: Forgot a few words.

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

I still think the line she said where she uses her fists is just a metaphor for her elf warrior martial arts techniques. Like when she trained with stella she demonstrated punches while maintaining a stance with 2 hands, meaning without the bow she would be capable of punching and kicking.

I still find ur trivia to be wrong as the way you stated it, she ‘must‘ have punching combos/skills just because she said ‘fist’.

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

To me its, before base, she learns punching and kicking techniques as per her elf warrior training. Combat ranger she holds a bow most of the time, so it would be better to just kick. Windsneaker even though the bow is smaller is still offsets her balance so she focuses on kicks.