UndyingProtector says:

Response to El-Desu:

Yes CC *USED* to tank, but he can’t tank now. He has good HP and defense, but that isn’t *worth anything if every third job can just burst you down and you *NEED* wonder wall to defend yourself*. But as you can tell: CC can’t have wonder wall now. It lasts too short of a duration to use against the BS damage that’s being thrown at him. Yeah: his passives are overnerfed and you don’t notice what they even do: that’s just bad design right there pal.

That’s PVE: I know in PVE it’s great but let’s move to PVP:

Err..yes they can: Just MB before he even get the chance to go nuts on you. Just like I said previously: The person has to be really dumb fighting against CC or the CC has to be really skilled at catching if he wants to gain the MP to even use it.

Yeah: good catching options that have annoying cooldowns to deal with if it is anticipated. Which mind you: is pretty easy to predict unless you’re blindly and aggressively rushing headfirst against CC or that CC is playing too overly aggressive. Once again: Crack Crasher might have a good catching game, but the delay is too weak for the missile to even hit. The only time it really works is when the opponent is literally close to his face because if not they just awaken and the missile misses it’s hit.

His Heavystance counter *shouldn’t* be even doing that, it’s supposed to be what makes CC unique from the other Chungs. And most of the time you won’t catch off of the blowaway effect because you’re expecting them to not launch and if they don’t and you anticipate that they will launch away you get punished. Same for vise versa: you get punished. It’s better to just skill out of it or awaken because you really don’t want to deal with the nonsense.

I never said it was bad: if you reread what I said in the former: I said that it isn’t as good as it used to be. Due to that, you have to choose to either burst or combo, since half of his actives cost a hefty amount of MP than they did before(Sudden Burster cough).

Err no, Burst Wolf isn’t good for catching, it isn’t good for damage. Land Demolisher isn’t good for damage now, it just feeds MP (BOTH versions mind you). And if you get the buff so what? It feeds more MP and most of the time they’ll just MB it after the explosion which is *WHY* it’s bad that the explosion got nerfed to not do burst damage(not nerfed, destroyed to no end). Rage of Guardian tickles unless you cast Pandemonium before Rage of Guardian, but even then they both cost 200 MP so you have to choose to do which.

CC doesn’t have the damage he used to have, he can’t tank crap unless he has Sacrifice because WW was literally the only thing saving his behind because most of IP’s passives (Most like Adv.metabolism) have too much of low percentages to even work. I’ve played IP since the renewals and trans, and let me tell you it wasn’t fun playing trans IP or renewal nerfed IP. Not every skill he has is good for catching, some are too situational or just not good to even be used.

At least you’re reasonable than some of the other debates I had in 4/19 patch notes.