Jack says:

Actually, this is one of the few times I’ve disagreed with Endgame who is usually given a kinda unfair shake. I mean, Endgame is super cynical but seems to generally to actually understand a lot about the game people seem to miss.

DW’s changes are actually kinda dumb in PvP, let me explain. DW is basically unapproachable with a good player (except via awakening freeze which is a whole speerate thing). Slower projectiles are pretty much always better for zoning, why you might ask, because zoning is the act of occupying space on the screen controlling where the opponent can be, a projectile that lingers shuts that space out much longer than a quick projectile. You can jump straight up to dodge a fireball usually, and while you can jump over a starball, your positioning needs to be different to actually clear it since it will still be there when you land. not to mention air starballs making it harder to apprach her. The problem is…DW could already do this with >>^X and >>X, the new star ball passive is overkill in this reguard, but it should make it even easier to deny space to the opponent . The distortion change is, and I don’t know if I should give them credit for being smart, justified, in fact it’s generous. You should know how to leave an opening in your zoning a calculated opening. the reason is to weave in a distortion to get a full combo. This is why it’s generous. If you know how to manage MP, you should still always have distortion on hand when nessecary unless it’s increased a huge ammount. They needed to hit the cooldown. IIRC it’s 6 seconds, and that’s enough to have it when needed.

Guillotine press change makes no sense to me…

Makeup and Energetic body changes are meh, it’ll probably equal out in the end.

Fitness change is a straight up godsend…unless KOG makes it worse than similar passives.

Energy Road is probably gonna suck? I mean, are these just reskinned flame roads? what other effects do they have, maybe fire road burns, dark road curses, but then what would energy road do? meh

THe lack of mana sheild is meh, I never used it since I never expected to get hit outside of distortion set ups. I honestly thought there were better things to bring with you if you don’t plan to fail.

Of note though, Z loop and fireball are incomperable, I have no idea how you conflate the two, Endgame’s worry was about the loss of a good (well not really imo) ranged poke that comes with the star ball change. The thing is…agressive DW isn’t something I’d ever do. It’s just not nearly as good as passive DW.;

Jack says:

It’s the way traditional zoning works, the energy balls are a threat that keeps people from appraching (as I mentioned all starballs is overkill since >>X and >>^X were already good enough in this reguard) the main way slow projectiles work is they occupy space, and the threat of them should keep people from approaching recklessly (should but it won’t people always get hit by starballs right now when you use them to zone cause they’ll just run straight into it.) Basically, the opponent will either realize they don’t have a good way to approach while there are starballs in the air, or they’ll keep running into them and you’ll kill them (which is much more likely). If the first case ever happens to you (I think it’s happened to me once someone realized they didn’t have to eat the starballs) they’ll likely jump around, or step as people like to call it, infront of you like a buffon until they decide to enter your effective range thinking they”ve tricked you (distortion time!!). For a third time I’ll admit that >>X and >>^X were generally enough for this already, but this should make it easier for people to play the passive game, well really a defensive zoning game. Now I can see where you see fireballs being gone as a nerf, but I myself didn’t use them much myself to begin with cause I already played the defensive zoning game.

Now you can take this all with a grain of salt, like I said everyone already runs into starballs and I think people will still run into them. and I mean like run face first into them, it happens.

Anonymous says:

@Jack Considering Dimension Witch uses TimeSpace magic, I think Energy Road will have Slow. But that’s just a guess.

Suit says:

Oh yes, because KOG is so very well known for doing things such as “trade-offs” very well. Where was that from Elsword’s and Rena’s revamps? Non-existent, I believe. Also, how is a 120mp unavoidable Guide Arrow which deals 6k damage awakened.not a problem but Magical Make-up is.

P.S. How the hell do you even snowball in PvP with MMU lol. If the DW was against a decent player and both had the same gear snowballing as DW is impossible unless you’re really good with her. There’s a reason why DW is the bottom-tier PvP class and MMU didn’t get her out of it.

Jack says:

So? KD reduction is less valuble than it seems. Everyone with a brain will just mana break anyway. and they didn’t get nearly as many “trade offs” as DW did. Not to mention you used the phrase “Transfer power in a kit” it’s a personal thing, but every time I hear that it sounds like you’re the type that parrots what pros say. at least Endgame is capable of independent thought.

Jack says:

Indeed you are brainless because you named exactly one instance in which kick would be useful, and what’s more it’s an instance where you get caught at the beginning of the match with zero MP Getting caught not even 10 seconds in sounds like you either had horrible problems with lag on your end and left your entry pose later than the opponent, or you were way too agressive on approach and did so without a real plan. Not to mention you seem to think that I don’t like what happened to DW when I didn’t even mention her here, in fact I even left a comment earlier about how good I thought the star ball change was. In fact I think in competent hands she was already better than most people think, but most people don’t seem to be vapable of anything much more complicated that run face first at an opponent. I also notice you mention snowballing, a term that isn’t applicable in Elsword but is in Leauge of Legends which you clearly like, showing me along with your misue of the phrase hit confirm, you use phrases from other games as if they’re applicalbe in all games which shows an actual lack of understanding of the nuance of actual play. Also, what makes distortion a better finisher than spurt? if anything it’d be better to use it for it’s utility and start a whole new combo using it as a counter-catch since that’d be more damage in the end.

To put it in perspective the reason snowballing is applicable in Leauge is because of gold, when you’re losing you’nt not gaining as much gold, which hampers your ability to retaliate, but in elsword, turning on MMU doesn’t hamper your ability to retaliate (Though if you’re the type to get freaked out it might mentally) because while it boosts Aisha it doesn’t actually weaken you. In leauge you’re weaker at the point someone starts snowballing then you would be otherwise and the power difference keeps growing until the very end of the game (if it lasts that long), you might lose more health to an MMU combo, but at one health you’re not doing less damage than you did at 100% (unless we’re talking about those old Raven passives that boosted you a high and low health or the new one he just got) and unless you’re debuffed you’ll move at the same speed.

Jack says:

You said and this is directly copy pasted “Energy Road only needs to be as good as Fire Road. As for Magical Makeup, it needed to get nerfed so that it doesn’t cost an organ to enter the state and be able to snowball. The MP gain has been normalized so that Energetic Body can assist you as you build up to the skill.” So you’re either a liar who doesn’t think someone can copy paste or just have issues with memory.

I will admit that I didn’t take Ring of Fury vs. someone without one into account, but if you have one, and they’re at a range where the ring would be effective for a catch, all you need to do is “Shoot first” so to speak.

Also of note, I never said I was upset about DWs changes, overall, and I think I’m the only one to feel the distortion change was justified. Are you so lacking in nuance you also need to lump together anyone that disagrees with you? The only real place I think you could get that flawed interpretation is if you read “didn’t get as many trade offs as DW did” as “DW is garbage”.

As for name and rank, what makes you think I’d give that out in a public space? For one I deleted my NA account a while ago and have never looked back, and I haven’t bothered cap any of the characters I have on Void yet. Not to mention it qon’t prove anything. It won’t make your use of “snowball” and “hit confirm” correct, it won’t change any of my points, and it won’t make you seem skilled in my eyes or anyone elses, which it seems pretty clear you want to seem skilled, but I’ve stated in the past that I don’t think anything in this game requires an appreciable level of skill.

You say me being upset means nothing to you, but then you want to make the effort of challenging me, the effort of even responding for that matter, and the effort of projecting some dissatisfaction with DW on me. Clearly I don’t need to upset you because ou already are upset, you won’t admit it, but it’s clear as day. You want to sling insults at others, generic ones like cancer at that, but it doesn’t seem you can take it. So, let’s reap, you parrot others in a way that makes you so genereic you yourself seem to forget what you’ve said, you throw a lot of insults and sarcasm around but you flare up when other people use it against you. You fake not being upset or not caring while still taking the time to respond, then you speak as if you’re some sort of community servant. Anyway, you could have the last word if you’d like, this will be my last response to you. I hope you’ll at least take the time to look at what the jargon you’re trying to use actually means next time you try to use it..

L says:

Umm, can I say one thing? Are we referring to Kick in all other servers or how Kick is LK only in the revamp?