Ain Patch Notes
[Character Rebalancing]
Character | Target | Change Details |
Shared | Resonance | Only 40% effective in PvP |
Shared | Weapon Attribute Enchant | [Frozen] – Per level duration changed 10, 13, 17, 20s ⇒ 10s – Per stack defense reduction 20%, 30%, 45% ⇒ 10%, 20%, 30% – Per stack speed reduction 20% 30%, 40% ⇒ 10%, 20%, 30%[Poison] – Jump speed reduction removed – Per stack movement speed reduction 30%, 45%, 60% ⇒ 20%, 30%, 40%[Dark] – MP Absorb rate 6, 12, 18, 24 ⇒ 4, 6, 8, 10 |
Ain | Command | – XXXX combo’s Duration Decrease, Multi hit speed Increase |
Lofty Executor | Fessel Heilig | – Forced return’s duration Decrease 3s ⇒ 5s |
Lofty Executor | Continuous Projection | – Per level MP cost Decrease 6, 9, 12, 15% ⇒ 2.5, 5, 7.5, 10% – Per level Cooldown time Decrease 20, 30, 40, 50% ⇒ 10, 15, 20, 25% |
Arme Thaumaturgy | Power of Creation | – Per level Critical Increase 4, 6, 8, 10% ⇒ 2, 4, 6, 8% – Per level Critical Damage Increase 10, 15, 20, 25% ⇒ 6, 9, 12, 15% |
Erbluhen Emotion | Communion | – Per level Cast MP Decrease 20, 25, 30, 35% ⇒ 6, 9, 12, 15% – Per level [Edel Eid] skill Cooldown time Decrease 20, 30, 40, 50% ⇒ 10, 15, 20, 25% |
Apostasia | New Belief | – Per level Cooldown time Decrease 5, 10, 15, 20% ⇒ 2.5, 5, 7.5, 10% – Per level Henir Skill MP cost Decrease 10, 15, 20, 25% ⇒ 5, 10, 15, 20% |
[Skill Damage Changes]
Character | Skill Name | Before | After |
Ain | Explosion | [Dungeon] 1st Cast(Magical) : 111% Multi hit 1st Cast Explosion(Magical) : 1382% 2nd Cast(Magical) : 75% Multi hit 2nd Cast Explosion(Magical) : 1612% 3rd Cast(Magical) : 46% Multi hit 3rd Cast Explosion(Magical) : 1842% [PvP] |
[Dungeon] 1stCast(Magical) : 139% Multi hit 1st Cast Explosion(Magical) : 1727% 2nd Cast(Magical) : 94% Multi hit 2nd Cast Explosion(Magical) : 2015% 3rd Cast(Magical) : 57% Multi hit 3rd Cast Explosion(Magical) : 2303% [PvP] |
Ain | Erst· Bohren | [Dungeon] Throwing Spear(Physical) : 1008%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Throwing Spear(Physical) : 1260%
[PvP] |
Ain | Bohren· Vereisen | [Dungeon] El Particle Manipulation(Magical) : 255% Quickfreeze(Magical) : 54% Multi hit Ice Explosion(Magical) : 425%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] El Particle Manipulation(Magical) : 319% Quickfreeze(Magical) : 67% Multi hit Ice Explosion(Magical) : 532%
[PvP] |
Ain | Sakrosankt Zertreten | [Dungeon] Energy Condense(Magical) : 66% ×5 Chain reaction(Magical) : 111% ×22 Chain Explosion(Magical) : 1546% CelestialArmory(Physical) : 111% Multi hit
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Energy Condense(Magical) : 83% ×5 Chain reaction(Magical) : 139% ×22 Chain Explosion(Magical) : 1932% CelestialArmory(Physical) : 139% Multi hit
[PvP] |
Ain | Schwert Platzen | [Dungeon] Power Eruption(Magical) : 1172% El Explosion(Physical) : Per hit 144%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Power Eruption(Magical) : 1465% El Explosion(Physical) : Per hit 180%
[PvP] |
Ain | Abschluss | [Dungeon] Space Separation(Magical) : 470%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Space Separation(Magical) : 587%
[PvP] |
Ain | Dritt · Stilett | [Dungeon] Projection · Creation(Magical) : 174% Throw(Physical) : 233% ×3
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Projection · Creation(Magical) : 218% Throw(Physical) : 292% ×3
[PvP] |
Lofty Executor | Brocken Aushauen | [Dungeon] Upper Slash(Physical) : 377% Afterimage Slash(Physical) : 111% Multi hit Divine Spear(Physical) : 530% ×3
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Upper Slash(Physical) : 471% Afterimage Slash(Physical) : 138% Multi hit Divine Spear(Physical) : 663% ×3
[PvP] |
Lofty Executor | Zweit · Schneiden | [Dungeon] Slash(Physical) : 803% Vertical Slash(Physical) : 1176% Upper Slash(Physical) : 1614%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Slash(Physical) : 1004% Vertical Slash(Physical) : 1470% Upper Slash(Physical) : 2018%
[PvP] |
Lofty Executor | Dritt · Attentat | [Dungeon] Impact(Physical) : 334% Short Sword Throw(Physical) : 330% ×3
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Impact(Physical) : 418% Short Sword Throw(Physical) : 413% ×3
[PvP] |
Lofty Executor | Fessel Heilig | [Dungeon] Undo Seal(Physical) : 1608% Return Impact(Physical) : 735%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Undo Seal(Physical) : 2011% Return Impact(Physical) : 919%
[PvP] |
Lofty Executor | Viert · Werfen Speer | [Dungeon] Ambush Strike · Chain attack(Physical) : 96% ×8 Throwing Spear(Physical) : 344% ×Multi hit
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Ambush Strike · Chain attack(Physical) : 120% ×8 Throwing Spear(Physical) : 431% ×Multi hit
[PvP] |
Lofty Executor | Sabelhieb Sequenz | [Dungeon] Upper Slash(Physical) : 249% Lower Slash(Physical) : 374% Finish(Physical) : 441%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] UpperS lash(Physical) : 312% Lower Slash(Physical) : 468% Finish(Physical) : 551%
[PvP] |
Lofty Executor | Drehen Hinter | [Dungeon] Ambush Strike(Physical) : 102% ×3 Backattack(Physical) : 432%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Ambush Strike(Physical) : 128% ×3 Backattack(Physical) : 540%
[PvP] |
Lofty Executor | Zweit · Sicheln | [Dungeon] Lower Slash(Physical) : 638%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Lower Slash(Physical) : 797%
[PvP] |
Arme Thaumaturgy | Autosuggestion | [Dungeon] Mana Storm(Magical) : 475% Multi hit
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Mana Storm(Magical) : 350% Multi hit
[PvP] |
Arme Thaumaturgy | Brocken Phantasm | [Dungeon] Warped FaithSpear(Physical) : 1831%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Warped FaithSpear(Physical) : 1636%
[PvP] |
Arme Thaumaturgy | Dreimal · Schwerttanz | [Dungeon] UpperSlash(Physical) : 626% ×2 Throw(Physical) : 423% ×6
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] UpperSlash(Physical) : 559% ×2 Throw(Physical) : 378% ×6
[PvP] |
Arme Thaumaturgy | Fragarach | [Dungeon] Fragarach(Physical) : 645% ×7[used when hit] – Fragarach(Physical) : 323% ×7
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Fragarach(Physical) : 576% ×7[use when hit] – Fragarach(Physical) : 288% ×7
[PvP] |
Arme Thaumaturgy | Still Lenze | [Dungeon] Stab(Physical) : 1281% Defense Ignore : 100%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Stab(Physical) : 1602% Defense Ignore : 100%
[PvP] |
Arme Thaumaturgy | Dritt · Erosion | [Dungeon] Low Slash(Physical) : 2198%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Low Slash(Physical) : 2748%
[PvP] |
Arme Thaumaturgy | Brennen Pantasma Boden | [Dungeon] Barrier Shockwave(Physical) : 1564% – Projection ShortSword(Physical) : 108% ×3 – Projection Field Sword(Physical) : 584% – Projection Spear(Physical) : 796%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Barrier Shockwave(Physical) : 1954% – Projection ShortSword(Physical) : 108% ×3 – Projection Field Sword(Physical) : 584% – Projection Spear(Physical) : 796%
[PvP] |
Arme Thaumaturgy | Bewachsen Feste · Gott Waffe | [Dungeon] Mana Release(Physical) : 518% Goddess’ weapon(Physical) : 196% Multi hit
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Mana Release(Physical) : 648% Goddess’ weapon(Physical) : 245% Multi hit
[PvP] |
Arme Thaumaturgy | Fantasiegebilde Speer | [Dungeon] Fantasiegebilde Speer(Physical) : 123% Multi hit
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Fantasiegebilde Speer(Physical) : 114% Multi hit
[PvP] |
Arme Thaumaturgy | Dritt · Gelerechi | [Dungeon] Stab(Physical) : 544%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Stab(Physical) : 680%
[PvP] |
Arme Thaumaturgy | Zweit · Ritus | [Dungeon] Stab(Physical) : 769% Mana Explosion(Physical) : 910% – KD reduction : -35
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Stab(Physical) : 960% Mana Explosion(Physical) : 1138% – KD reduction : -35
[PvP] |
Arme Thaumaturgy | Erst der Letzt | [Dungeon] ManaFocused(Physical) : 947% ManaStorm(Physical) : 1077% Multi hit
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] ManaFocused(Physical) : 1184% ManaStorm(Physical) : 1347% Multi hit
[PvP] |
Lofty Anpassen | Angriff | [Dungeon] Re-creation(Magical) : 76% Multi hit Explosion(Magical) : 2006%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Re-creation(Magical) : 96% Multi hit Explosion(Magical) : 2508%
[PvP] |
Lofty Anpassen | Vertieidi | [Dungeon] Quick Cycle(Magical) : 63% ×4 Homing Cycle shot(Magical) : 230% Multi hit
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Quick Cycle(Magical) : 79% ×4 Homing Cycle shot(Magical) : 287% Multi hit
[PvP] |
Lofty Anpassen | Diamant Regen | [Dungeon] Light orb(Magical) : 86% Multi hit orb Fire(Magical) : 151% Multi hit orb Explosion(Magical) : 249%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Light orb(Magical) : 108% Multi hit orb Fire(Magical) : 189% Multi hit orb Explosion(Magical) : 311%
[PvP] |
Lofty Anpassen | Wind Einfallen | [Dungeon] Light orb(Magical) : 938% Reveal Cast(Magical) : 63% Multi hit Cast Extinguish(Magical) : 845%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Light orb(Magical) : 1174% Reveal Cast(Magical) : 78% Multi hit Cast Extinguish(Magical) : 1055%
[PvP] |
Lofty Anpassen | Blatt Blume | [Dungeon] Illusion Spear · Cast(Magical) : 538% Illusion Spear · Open(Magical) : 2844% Illusion Spear · Continuous (Magical) : 48% Multi hit
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Illusion Spear · Cast(Magical) : 673% Illusion Spear · Open(Magical) : 3556% Illusion Spear · Continuous (Magical) : 61% Multi hit
[PvP] |
Lofty Anpassen | Eid Weise | [Dungeon] Mana Eruption(Magical) : 100% EidLight(Magical) : 321% Multi hit Light Explosion(Magical) : 217%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Mana Eruption(Magical) : 100% EidLight(Magical) : 401% Multi hit Light Explosion(Magical) : 272%
[PvP] |
Lofty Anpassen | Echo Licht | [Dungeon] Cycle shot(Magical) : 404% ×2 Cycle shot Explosion(Magical) : 244%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Cycle shot(Magical) : 504% ×2 Cycle shot Explosion(Magical) : 305%
[PvP] |
Lofty Anpassen | Lied Schwach | [Dungeon] Cycle circle(Magical) : 892%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Cycle circle(Magical) : 1115%
[PvP] |
Erbluhen Emotion | Requiem | [Dungeon] El Light(Magical) : per orb 283% Light Explosion(Magical) : 61% [Edel Eid:Mut] – Covering Darkness(Magical) : 294% Multi hit – Explosion(Magical) : 1208% [Edel Eid:Rein] – Summoned Light(Magical) : 597% Multi hit – Dawn Light(Magical) : 113% [Edel Eid:Wille] – Freezing Wind(Magical) : Per shot 219% Multi hit
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] El Light(Magical) : per orb 354% Light Explosion(Magical) : 76% [Edel Eid:Mut] – Covering Darkness(Magical) : 368% Multi hit – Explosion(Magical) : 1509% [Edel Eid:Rein] – Summoned Light(Magical) : 449% Multi hit – Dawn Light(Magical) : 423% [Edel Eid:Wille] – Freezing Wind(Magical) : Per shot 273% Multi hit
[PvP] |
Erbluhen Emotion | Luft Versprengen | [Dungeon] Wind Pillar(Magical) : 627% El Wind(Magical) : 44% Multi hit
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Wind Pillar(Magical) : 712% El Wind(Magical) : 50% Multi hit
[PvP] |
Erbluhen Emotion | Stom Stark | [Dungeon] Cycle Flow (Magical) : 1170% ×4 Cycle Flow · Explosion(Magical) : 311%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Cycle Flow (Magical) : 1462% ×4 Cycle Flow · Explosion(Magical) : 389%
[PvP] |
Erbluhen Emotion | Lind Scheinen | [Dungeon] Spell Open(Magical) : 356% Mana Explosion(Magical) : 478% ×10
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Spell Open(Magical) : 330% Mana Explosion(Magical) : 443% ×10
[PvP] |
Erbluhen Emotion | Elfe | [Dungeon] Contract Cast(Magical) : 989% – Duration : 7s Cycle shot Fire(Magical) : 116% ×3 Cycle shot Explosion(Magical) : 58% ×3
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Contract Cast(Magical) : 1236% – Duration : 7s Cycle shot Fire(Magical) : 145% ×3 Cycle shot Explosion(Magical) : 73% ×3
[PvP] |
Erbluhen Emotion | Vertrauen Melodie | [Dungeon] Atmosphere Wave(Magical) : 1564%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Atmosphere Wave(Magical) : 1957%
[PvP] |
Erbluhen Emotion | Windhose | [Dungeon] Cycle shot(Magical) : 284% Multi hit Cycle shot Explosion(Magical) : 340%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Cycle shot(Magical) : 354% Multi hit Cycle shot Explosion(Magical) : 424%
[PvP] |
Erbluhen Emotion | Satz Aurora | [Dungeon] Cast · Manifestation(Magical) : 4019% [Edel Eid:Mut] – Cast · Manifestation(Magical) : 7011% [Edel Eid:Rein] – Cast · Manifestation(Magical) : 5455% [Edel Eid:Wille] – Cast · Manifestation(Magical) : 5062%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Cast · Manifestation(Magical) : 5023% [Edel Eid:Mut] – Cast · Manifestation(Magical) : 8763% [Edel Eid:Rein] – Cast · Manifestation(Magical) : 6817% [Edel Eid:Wille] – Cast · Manifestation(Magical) : 6327%
[PvP] |
Erbluhen Emotion | Alchimie Eid | [Dungeon] Cycle Power(Magical) : 706% MaintainTime : 10s
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Cycle Power(Magical) : 883% MaintainTime : 10s
[PvP] |
Erbluhen Emotion | Ruhig | [Dungeon] Cycle shot(Magical) : 790% Cycle Ring(Magical) : 350%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Cycle shot(Magical) : 988% Cycle Ring(Magical) : 438%
[PvP] |
Erbluhen Emotion | Verschmelzen | [Dungeon] Shockwave(Magical) : 363% Pain Ring(Magical) : 120% Pain Ring· Explosion(Magical) : 203% Bind Ring(Magical) : 24% Bind Ring· Explosion(Magical) : 862%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Shockwave(Magical) : 452% Pain Ring(Magical) : 150% Pain Ring· Explosion(Magical) : 255% Bind Ring(Magical) : 29% Bind Ring· Explosion(Magical) : 1078%
[PvP] |
Erbluhen Emotion | Flame Emotion | [Dungeon] ManaOpen(Magical) : 994% El Condense(Magical) : 685% Multi hit CycleExplosion(Magical) : 994% Multi hit ManaEruption(Magical) : 2983%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] ManaOpen(Magical) : 1243% El Condense(Magical) : 856% Multi hit CycleExplosion(Magical) : 1243% Multi hit ManaEruption(Magical) : 3730%
[PvP] |
Lofty Wanderer | Alptraum | [Dungeon] Explosion(Magical) : 2000% Tornado(Magical) : 43% Multi hit
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Explosion(Magical) : 2500% Tornado(Magical) : 54% Multi hit
[PvP] |
Lofty Wanderer | Schmerz | [Dungeon] Particle(Physical) : 209% ~ 314% Multi hit
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Particle(Physical) : 261% ~ 391% Multi hit
[PvP] |
Lofty Wanderer | Verzweiflung | [Dungeon] Strong Strike(Physical) : 916%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Strong Strike(Physical) : 1145%
[PvP] |
Lofty Wanderer | Reflexion | [Dungeon] Reflex Strike(Magical) :per hit 43% homing projectile Explosion(Magical) : per hit 312%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Reflex Strike(Magical) : per hit 53% homing projectile Explosion(Magical) : per hit 390%
[PvP] |
Lofty Wanderer | Entfernen | [Dungeon] Area Open(Magical) : 28% Multi hit Removal(Magical) : 232% Multi hit Final Flame(Magical) : 536%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Area Open(Magical) : 35% Multi hit Removal(Magical) : 290% Multi hit Final Flame(Magical) : 671%
[PvP] |
Lofty Wanderer | Wechsel | [Dungeon] Switch(Magical) : 485%[Seed Absorb] – Per Stage Physical/Magical Damage Increase: 10% / 20% / 30% – Per Stage Critical Damage Increase: 5% / 7% / 10%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Switch(Magical) : 606%[Seed Absorb] – Per Stage Physical/Magical Damage Increas : 10% / 20% / 30% – Per Stage Critical Damage Increase: 5% / 7% / 10%
[PvP] |
Lofty Wanderer | Brechen | [Dungeon] Explosion(Physical) : 834%
[PvP] Explosion(Physical) : 417% |
[Dungeon] Explosion(Physical) : 1043%
[PvP] |
Lofty Wanderer | Geist Herrschaft | [Dungeon] Shatter(Magical) : 227% Mind Control(Magical) : 59% Multi hit
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Shatter(Magical) : 284% Mind Control(Magical) : 74% Multi hit
[PvP] |
Apostasia | Gottvergessen Sense | [Dungeon] Shockwave(Physical) : 606% Multi hit
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Shockwave(Physical) : 498% Multi hit
[PvP] |
Apostasia | Fesseln | [Dungeon] Explosion(Magical) : 1796% HP/MP Recovery rate : 1.5% (PvP 1%)
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Explosion(Magical) : 2245% HP/MP Recovery rate : 1.5% (PvP 1%)
[PvP] |
Apostasia | Totentanz | [Dungeon] Power Reveal(Magical) : 317% Chaos Power(Magical) : 87% Multi hit Finish(Magical) : 178% Multi hit
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Power Reveal(Magical) : 360% Chaos Power(Magical) : 99% Multi hit Finish(Magical) : 202% Multi hit
[PvP] |
Apostasia | Abgrund | [Dungeon] Projectile Explosion(Magical) : 514% x 8
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Projectile Explosion(Magical) : 459% x 8
[PvP] |
Apostasia | Mauer | [Dungeon] Barrier Generation(Magical) : 1600%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Barrier Generation(Magical) : 1177%
[PvP] |
Apostasia | Ausrottung | [Dungeon] Charge Strike(Magical) : 694% Tornado (Magical) : 448% x 4
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Charge Strike(Magical) : 868% Tornado (Magical) : 560% x 4
[PvP] |
Apostasia | Chaos Feld | [Dungeon] Thorn Field(Physical) : 273% x 2 Chaos Area(Magical) : 190% Multi hit
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Thorn Field(Physical) : 342% x 2 Chaos Area(Magical) : 238% Multi hit
[PvP] |
Apostasia | Befreiung Feld | [Dungeon] Release Area(Magical) : 99% Multi hit Area Open(Magical) : 1912% Continuous Strike(Magical) : 207%[Released Power] – per 1 stack, Damage 10% Increase (Maximum 5stack) – Duration : 7s
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Release Area(Magical) : 134% Multi hit Area Open(Magical) : 2390% Continuous Strike(Magical) : 311%[Released Power] – per 1stack, Damage 10% Increase (Maximum 5stack) – Duration : 7s
[PvP] |
Apostasia | Leere | [Dungeon] Void Seed Explosion(Magical) : 902%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Void Seed Explosion(Magical) : 1128%
[PvP] |
Apostasia | Moder | [Dungeon] Particle Explosion(Physical) : 461% Movement Strike(Magical) : 808%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Particle Explosion(Physical) : 575% Movement Strike(Magical) : 1011%
[PvP] |
Apostasia | Ende der Welt | [Dungeon] Space Tear(Physical) : 2500% Fissure Generation(Magical) : 1876% x 2 Fissure Expansion(Magical) : 625% Multi hit Explosion(Magical) : 3125%
[PvP] |
[Dungeon] Space Tear(Physical) : 3125% Fissure Generation(Magical) : 2344% x 2 Fissure Expansion(Magical) : 781% Multi hit Explosion(Magical) : 3907%
[PvP] |
Ouch, talk about kicking Apostasia while he’s on the ground. From a PvP aspect all he got was nerfs.
He was really only garbage at PvE. You needed quite the funding to make him “usable.”
But now he’s worse.
He came out with mostly buffs, how the heck is he now worse? You need to actually pay for your MP costs or something? I carry a full load of consumes quite often so can’t really see him being affected except by the CD reduction nerfs, which other classes like EM/CBS and such received.
His skills are just not that good at gathering and “bursting” since the DPS is so delayed. I think eventually they’ll give up and start adding initial hit damage to his stuff but we’ll see.
Everything i wanted was a pvp nerf, am i asking for too much? T^T
Vortrtauen melody is still 40/20 dmgred/matk for 20 sec with 8 sec cooldown
Why
GOD good thing i did change to AT from AP, i feel like hes the second VP of elsword… how do you make a class that is lackluster utterly more garbage???.
I feel like KOG smoking to much. Got to demand revamps for ain classes. this is ridicules.
As long as I still get my explosion I could care less.
At least AP has a friend now(VP) since they decided to nerf him for no reason after trying to buff him.
The fact that they buffed Diamant Regen surprises me, the damage is quite high already for a tenacity
e-e well rip AP, so much for the promoting hype, seem like Wardrove in NA.
To be brutally honest all ain need a revamp, both in combos and skill dmg specially AP, since no matter if your mp gain is cancer, and you can spam a lot with skill. If they can’t scrash you there no point, really that like going darksouls run with a broken latte.AND THAT DAM LATTE WILL STILL DO MORE DMG THAN AP SPAMMING CAN MAKE.
EE still good in PVE… VP more decent in PVE…. am I dreaming?