1. Eve
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Skill |
Detail |
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Dimension Link Sentry |
Attack Doesn’t Knock down and has reduced KD. |
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Seal Buff skills |
Seal of Victory removed. Can only use Seal of Annihilation |
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Dimension Link Guardian |
Flame follows patch and works as the current skill notes do |
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Code : Exotic / Code : Nemesis |
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Skill |
Detail |
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Metal Dust Aura |
Command and Active Skill damage increased while casted |
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Elegant Steps |
Only Elegant steps can be chosen. Electron ball study removed |
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Telsa Shock |
Changed to class specific skill |
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Concentration Aura |
Added Divine Aura’s effect |
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Queen of Vengence |
Gain MP depending on HP damage taken. |
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Queen of Destruction |
When in awakening gain MP in 10/20/30 whenever core beam activates depending on awakening stage. Also reduces cooldown timer on skills on cooldown by 1/2/3 seconds |
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Code : Archetecture / Code :Empress |
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Skill |
Details |
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Mega Electron Ball |
Charge feature removed |
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Oberon Guard |
Changed to special active skill and is casted forwards instead of backwards. Changed so it blocks enemies |
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Surface Cutting |
Attack’s KD reduced for initial summoning attack |
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Tesla Shock |
Changed to class specific skill |
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Genocide Ripper |
Skill redesigned to attack large area in front and behind the character |
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Electron ball study |
Also increases air movement amount |
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Space Wrench |
X projectile size increased |
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Assault Spear – Buster |
Last hit’s hitbox slightly changed |
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Code:Thunderbolt |
HP increased, Disk attack changed to homing attacks. |
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Code : Electra / Code : Battle Seraph |
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Skill |
Details |
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Kugel Blitz |
Charge feature removed and changed to special active skill. |
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Tesla Shock |
Changed to class specific skill |
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Energy Needles |
MP Cost increased, skill duration increased, hitstun removed. Projectiles home-in and once they hit one target they seek the next target. |
2. Chung
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Shared |
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Skill |
Details |
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Awakening |
Charges Cannonball upon awakening |
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Black Blast |
Causes explosion and evacuates current location(Invincible while casting) |
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Scare Chase |
MP cost reduced |
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Reload Cannon |
Reloads 1 cannonball. 3 on [True] |
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Siege Shelling |
Initial casting motion speed increased |
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Fury Guardian / Iron Paladin |
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Skill |
Details |
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Burst Wolf |
Cast speed increased |
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Pandemonium |
Debuff revamped |
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Brutal Swing |
Doesn’t launch targets, pushes targets away with hitstun |
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Elemental Training |
Combined, increases all element resistence |
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Land Demolisher |
Buff granted after casting |
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Pain of Caladbolg |
MP cost reduced |
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Shooting Guardian / Deadly Chaser |
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Skill |
Details |
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Headshot |
Chance of doing 2x damage |
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Dual Buster |
Reloads 1 cannonball when casting |
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Remodel Rifle |
Magic bullet damage increasee effect added |
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Deadly Shot (New Skill) |
Consumes 1 cannonball to do large damage in area infront. |
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Trick Shot |
New skill based on leg shot. Fires 2 magic bullets towards ground, magic bullet bounces across enemies and the ground doing damage. Causes movement/jump reduction debuff. |
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Rapid Cannon |
Cooldown time reduced |
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Shelling Guardian / Tactical Trooper |
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Skill |
Details |
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Elastic Bomb |
Certain chance of large grenade |
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Bigbang Stream |
MP cost reduced |
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Impact Detonation |
Changed to Special Active |
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Chaos Cannon |
MP cost and damage increased |
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Mobile Shelling |
Switching and firing speed when switching between siege and mobile shelling increased. |
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Tactical Field |
Buff revamped |
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Cannon Strike |
MP cost increased. |
Like the new skills focused on MP on CN cool, Concentration and divine aura are combined hopefully they do that with blasters and hornet stings and goodbye victory buff….. well I like annihilation more anyways but still.. so far its nice imo, especially the new Queen of destruction skill never gonna have mp issues like ever(not like CN had any in the first place ‘shrug’) hmm the way they have it worded tho seems like CeM is the only one with MEB or am i reading that wrong?
I read that way too, only CEm will have MEB
Unless Mana Conversion got toned down from 60 MP, if I’m reading correctly CN can get 120 MP from it due to taking HP damage. I have no direct confirmation as people seem to be avoiding it…
But if it’s there, CN should be back on par with the other Eves in terms of PvE and stronger neutral game in PvP.
Considering that I don’t like how Mana Conversion works, I don’t care what happens to it.
50 mana now
wow thank you KoG for revamping the CBS :v
now I have the power of the S2 with the skill tree of the S1
energetic heart? pff. thousand star? who cares, let’s revamp an (ex) 100MP skill and two actives, the player will adore this.
(and thank you for removing one of the most useful buff too, I hope at least you will change the necklace that was strenghtening the skill)
So I guess… CN’s really buffed? :D
If you reached that conclusion from that pitiful list of changes, I don’t know what to tell you.
You didn’t even read it, did you?
thats all the updates for EVE?… no any interesting updates?.. what a limited brain you got there.. soon there will be an unfair pvp for EVE towards other character… such as Aisha who got new skill, effect.. mostly for every classes… Ravens, Elswords, Renas and also Chungs
What an unfair updates for eve…
Poor that little eve, i vote for a better updates for that eves.
Im thoroughly surprised they finally seem to have done something good for CN.
“Gain MP depending on damage taken..?” Eve in general is not a tank or good at taking damage like AT ALL (especially CN). Why would they focus on her mana ANYWAY? Its her damage that needs tweaking and her paper defense. Chung got way more it seems than Eve, even though Eve needs the most help. Wow, unless I see a live stream or something that proves my initial thinking wrong, I may quit this game.
look at jehaegeons eve stream
So Eve changes are pure shit and Chung is superbuffed on everything? gg kog
Wow, and now that I look, it seems like they didnt give Cem the passive they gave DW and RS (the one that buffs physical attack based on magical) so unless Im missing something, her Assualt Spear is still gonna be worthless. People are gonna think that the non- modifier version makes up for it but as soon as S4 starts Eve seems like she’ll suffer the same issues.
Hmm…..
…..
You know what? I’m going to wait for the patch to release instead of jumping to conclusions based off of this list of little information.
I mean, the patch notes for Aisha didn’t say they were getting rid of Mana Shield for VP and DW, which was a major durability nerf. These CN changes could be even worse than they seem!
IKRRRRRRRRRR
Endgame, yeah you are right. Im jumping to conclusions about CN but its hard not to considering how badly they shafted her in the past. ‘Queen of Vengeance’ sounds like a Fail version of some Crimson Avenger shtick…
pfft. it’s not like anyone cares about what you say. lol
It seems like they ignored the #1 skill CN needs to be buffed: Queen’s Throne.
I was actually hoping they would give it a Tousand star like treatment, where it would be possible to hit the QT button again while it was active to do the Q-Proto active with alot more spikes, AOE and alot more damage depending on when you use it. If RF and BM get their epic NPC attacks, CN deserves it too.
yeah, wanted that for a long time….
It seems so, sadistic…
but they gave her a mini junk break combo…
I hope that it would suffice my S mindset XD
Homing bullets and swagshot (legshot & bulletblitz hybrid) ….Deadly chaser…is…GOD
…and no idea why that comment enced up here, sorreh
Everyone knows you’re just gonna spout nonsense about it anyway.
Yeah, save your face before you make a fool of yourself like last time.
Please rant.
I already miss it. :c
I srly wanted KoG to add CN at least a new active and add Lunatic Scud an initial black hole….. Spear burst active sux way too much to be even an skill, also i want to know about THE WORST SKILL EVER THAT NOONE USES CUS OF A FRUKEN EVERLASTING BUG: Queens Throne. I HOPE new “effective commands” are worth to be used and deals tons of dmg <-<. didnt see either about Atomic Shield…
CEM: Oh… Genocide Ripper :thumbsup: idk what to say about CEM actually.
About 3rd job path: OMG they are barely touching 'em! except for DW cus she was trash now she is…. She is… still trash but OP trash c: . No offense to DW users quq
I CANT WAIT ANYMOARRRRR LJKHADLJKSDKLSADLDKLSDJHAF Ive never wanted something so badly that in the last 2 weeks ive been going to bed so early just to wake up and say: CMON! JUST 6 MORE DAYSSSS and so on qnq, BUT IS FINALLYYY TODAYYYY LASJKDKLASDASJDHKASHDKLASJAD -Dies before maintenance ends- (?)
So you want CN to be a automated hand-holder like Ara.
Wait wait wait. They removed Seal of Victory (the critical one) and yet CN’s passives directly influence crit buffs..? Seriously?
Pretty sure that passive only affects CN’s crit rate and doesn’t affect the buff from Seal of Victory.
Im happy DC noticeably got his buff (though I really wish I could say the same for CN -___-), but KOG seriously, you fused tactical fields? I want whatever they are smoking.
i’m honestly not sure what to make of this about eve’s changes. CN did get a MP gain increase and a way to lower cooldowns so we’ll see how that plays out.
IP clearly has some buffs, TT included. DC… not sure either.
but my god, they’re forcing the add dam buff on every eve… if that crit boost from victory isn’t tacked on, there may be a riot.
looks like KOG has it in for buffs for the most part….
i would dare to bet that crit aura will be pretty much exclusive to CN, i mean concentration aura will still give crit damage and crit rate, and also increase aura duration and less mana cost since it got mixed with divine aura.
if raven can have 36% free critical i dont see why not make CN a crit buffer
Did you not read the list? Aura of Victory is no longer in Eve’s skill set, meaning NONE of her job paths can use it.
Roonike is talking about the CN passive that increases crit rate and damage whenever she uses a seal buff (Concentration Aura).
sadly she doesn’t have victory aura.
RIP elsword’s best crit boost skill
KOG plz don’t remove Bullet Blitz or Heavy Railgun. ;_;
I’m happy for CN.
Now I can support the party more than before.
Cannot wait to see her new combo.
:D
There are better support classes than CN. Especially now since tactical field was fused together.
considering how awful her actual combos are, i would be surprised with more than 3 new combos…
CN’s buffs are still OP
I’m happy for CN.
I’m sorry for double post.
only CBS got nerfed T.T only buff is can use thousand star and energetic heart together again
Endgame: Blah blah blah unbalanced blah blah blah KoG favors Elesis blah blah blah
ENDGAME SHUT THE HELL UP!!!
>telling him off and he hasn’t even said anything yet
you have issues. I hate him too, but at least wait for him to do something before you go tantrumming back.
He did say something, though. Granted at the time he hadn’t full-on ranted but he did still say something.
ouch! With kugel as a special ot no longer procs… So no more oath or reaper on CEm. And i can buff shuttle even harder now on CN! Chung as a whole got buffed, and trick shot looks awesome for skill based gameplay.
Oh, mobile devices how i hate you… *it no longer procs* *on CEm?*
again with camper TT +span of scare chase 100mp ¬¬ in pvp i hope that the siege get low mod from season 2
who care about dmg add out from pvp remove the crap buff
i like the electron charge removal, it alway was a pain charge it
and oberon guard i hope for some dmg in it because the current oberon guard is crap
by the way ip get away with leap and guard T_____T¿¿¿¿
And wonderwall, don’t forget wonderwall, wat is damage? And no need to sacrifice our precious Iron Howling for that either. Oh and reload has superarmor. All we need is a lingering hitbox for the back shot and we’re good
You must not play endgame(SS-SSS)TT by stating that. Yeah he’s stupid with siege, but he’s slow unless you fight a competent TT pilot which is rare anyways. Why are people so scared of a party class in 1v1 thats hardly present in in pvp.
Oh great, just what we need. Another person to spout nonsense.
Jokes aside, I just hope you won’t complain about non-existant things like the original Endgame does.
>nonexistant
these past few patches he actually manages to have a point besides his nose, so perhaps you need to dial down your hatedom factor a skosh.
I still think most of it is nonsense.
Please kog fuck you all. Why the hell you haven’t revamped skills like bulletz blitz and sss. And you even added a new fucking cannon skill. Fuckbiatch
N sounds good so far and OMG no charge for Kugel Blitz hell yea that charging is a real pain in the ass and plzs give this girl a super armor mode all most everbody in the game but not her
come on wat about Queen’s Throne if anything for 300 mp that active skill needs to be super armored to live up to 300 mp either ruduce the mp or cast a super armor mode on it and a certain % to have of Metal Dust Aura blocking magic projectiles
since they gave raven a revamped version of valak claw combo i wonder if they gonna give eve Q-Proto 00
Spear Field
this notes almost always never tell the full story, since EVERY eve and chung are getting new combos, with higher base damage Queen’s Throne should be way better now (most combos do from 200% to 500% on revamped characters). animations will change for must stuff too so that should also increase CN performance overall. and if it isnt enough they can always buff her the next week like they have been doing with the other revamps
NERF FOR EVE! YES! Some active changed to SA! OH ITS A DREAM COME TRUE!
wait a minute, did you realize that they didnt combine Code Battle Seraph’s passive? This will make CBS have a higher rate of mp regen. than other character. This also happened to CBS fly passive, CBS will now fly higher and faster. and the OP of using Thousand Star while in Energetic Heart mode.
But that also means that those two passives take TWO slots instead of just one.
Keep that in mind.
Tactical Trooper is now actually better than the other Chung’s in the catching and combo game. That’s what these notes confirm to me.
Still need to see CN’s revamped normals, still need context on CEm in general. Genocide Ripper seems to have turned into massive AoE instead of boss focused(?).
CBS nerfed and I’m pretty sure IP’s passive resistances were toned down a little. What remains to be seen overall for Iron Paladin are his passive MERGES. Scary thoughts cross my head as to how KOG did those. But other than that, this is a pretty clean buff to everyone not IP/CBS.
I personally don’t care if the amount of points we get is nerfed or not, I’m just glad that I no longer have to deal with an uneven number of elemental resistance points on my IPs.
Rather, I won’t have to after NA gets this revamp.
From what my friends tell me, IP got 2 dive attacks which I assume they mean something similar to RF and BM’s. DC got a new rapid fire combo which is pretty absurd. His bullets will also automatically ricochet to hit a 2nd target with no chance for dodging as long as the bullet hits.
CN got the >>zzz spear knock back on an aerial combo I think. CEm is more or less the same. Like all revamp characters, her basic command damage went up. xxz is absurd as far as DPS goes currently. Genocide Ripper is still the same, it just doubled the total range by attacking behind you as well. The ending is also a buster slash type thing where Oberon creates a ground shock wave that launches. The delay on the skill makes it impossible to catch unfortunately.
CBS, I’m very inclined to say she’s nerfed only due to her mp problems. Damage wise, she got buffed.
I still dont understand dread chase, do the 4 missles do more overall damage vs the mini missles? Seems like they completely made the note non-existant, which is a darn shame. : (
hey look old tf is back
I dunno. I’m pretty ticked off over the fact that they removed Seal of Victory. I mean, it’s depressing thinking that I can only use one of only two limited buffs we’re given as CN’s and now I find here that they’re removing one. (And the one I like to use more too lol)
Queen of Vengeance…This passive makes us gain more MP than others when we’re hit and also makes CN gain more MP with Mana Convergence compared to the CE and CBS.
Queen of Destruction makes it look like KoG acknowledges the fact that CNs had been forced to abuse Core to be barely efficient in PvP. I’d like to see the details of this skill. I also wonder if this affects Lunatic Scud’s cooldown as well, that would be hilarious.
CBS is always the Eve that gets little to no changes, and any change made is almost always a nerf.
why kog.
why does CEm get buffed but not CBS?
yes I understand CBS can be such a trashy class, bUT SO CAN CEm. WHERE ARE HER NERFs.
KoG basically just.. WHY DONT YOU JUST DELETE ENERGY NEEDLES AT THIS RATE? The hit stun was practically THE ONLY USE for it. It’s a bad skill for damage.
yes I understand how annoying it can be.. but what about CEm’s summons’ damage?
Not to mention the other classes and how annoying they can be as well.
No need for EN’s homing either. We got induction mode for that.
Now CBS has no way to counter enemies behind her.
df is kog doing.
eve is already squishy enough.
now CBS players have little not ways to catch enemies behind her.
Not to mention Kugel..
One of the two useful as well as unique skills for CBS..
They’ve been thrown into the trash.
fk. i meant two of the most useful skills.
my saltiness rage wont let me comprehend what im saying anymore.
and yet CBS is still one of the 3 best PvE classes period……
few classes are excellent in both PvE and PvP (EM and DiE, i’m looking at you). it’s usually one or the other
I’ve never seen it. MP regen never kept up with my MP consumption even without skills, so I ended up paranoidly micromanaging my MP and potion/food cooldowns trying to be sure that I’d actually still have enough MP to do anything useful come boss time.
you do know it’s best to group stuff before taking them out right? (unless you got something like blaze step)
otherwise you’re gonna need to build up MP…. even i find my DW using mp potions at times cause you don’t always have the MP on hand (especially when you’re not able to use your best MP gain moves)…
Pray tell HOW are energy needles nerfed? They het literally everything on the screen…oh yeah sure cry about the hitstun being removed. Cast one TS and then energy needles and you will literally hitstun and combo EVERYTHING. I’m inclined to say that its almost as cancerous as the current Bllack Hole…but that’s a whole other story. No complaints for CBS.
Taking on account how lolHomingLazors.exe can pot-shot people effortlessly, i don’t see the problem with having a bare back.
Soooo much win…sooo much yeah!!! All chungs get better reloading! :D
My little tactical trooper will get playtime again!!!
Tac field is BACK and better than ever <3 BBS is better than when it was first released having its MP cost reduced twice now. Cannon Strike is back and mobile shelling switch hits are more useful than ever, How2runoutofcannonballz. He's just finally back to his glorious self before that darn choice tree nerfed him to shreds. Oh the joy, the happiness
Deadly Chaser gets an even more lethal legshot with its new (seeming) zoning capacities. Please Gods of KOG give DC some new epic commands that make him play less like a base chung with 2 extra combos a.k.a. what RS was to Elboy.
Iron Paladin though… holy Iron paladin. If guard is still the way it was before…with the new Panda and Burst Wolf and possibly even a combined Land Demo never mind PoC having lower MP cost now (200-250) and no mention of reduced damage. IP the GOD.
I cant even be too mad if Chung didnt get new commands
As for Eve is concerned: those energy needles needed a nerf but this is going too far. How about having the first 2/3 needles give hitstun so you can catch off of it without using the core? No didnt think of that? And it gets a pve buff? Which CBS wastes mana on needles in PVE? Anyone?
What has me most excited for eve is CEm. Unless if they removed ophelia summon somehow, you can now have a full party of summons up constantly and if HA comes off the cooldown, even a party of 5 soloing with summons alone. The pvp overkill of that does scare me.
Panda debuff ignores defense… man…the damage…
I’m not sure what you’ve been seeing, but Energy Needles actually got buffed to be quite frank. The numbers on paper aren’t impressive, but the fact that they don’t hit stun means people are actually less inclined to mana break it. It even automatically shoots at targets even if they’re not on screen and that’s really scary. It does more damage than Energetic Heart + Giga Stream/ Linear Divider/ Sweep Rolling. I’ve done the damage tests. Even with just the blue spectrum and no awakening it out damages those 3 with core and awakening.
CEm… I didn’t check whether or not you could have multiple summons. It wasn’t an appealing idea cause you’d have to carry 3 specific skills just to summon them. A 4th being your hyper active makes skill selection very tight.
Special actives aren’t very strong in PvP at the moment. Seems they learned their lesson from when GA was dominating with Guide Arrow. For example, Dimension Link Guardian only hits about 10-20% of a person’s HP at best.
I saw a CEm run hernir with those 3 summons on…I’d say its worth it. The sheer damage… you could practically make some tea while watching the bosses melt.
CEm can summon everything if she had the mp, I’ve done it in pvp so I know.
mhmm, I was looking at that, looks like we’re gonna get OP TT back again after all these years. I hope DC gets some nice things though, I love TT but DC was my first Chung love and I would like to have an affair
Hah same here :P And I’m happy DC is the cool gunslinger again. Eat that Ciel! NoScope (until the Add and LuCiel update ofcourse)
“Tac field is BACK and better than ever <3"
unless it reloads red shells again, it's still lacking.
Oh well, seems like KOG doesn’t want to change Big Bang Stream at all <_<
Feels like best use is only to be a bait and then explode! (Run into a mob properly and try to hit with all bombs exploding)
ah
fuck you KOG again
my eve just become a junk class
Why buff an already broken character like TT? CN needs that more than anyone.
Considering black hole has the power and range of a Conquerer and also, ofcourse, a black hole to pull the whole screen in, I’d say CN isn’t doing to bad. Having 3 CN’s in a 3v3 is about as easymode now as 3 Diabolic Esper’s from back when capped DP consumption reduction gave them a manapool of 1100.
okay time to talk about what youtube has shown me.
CN’s new combos are very welcome. they give more air control on 2 of them (one also attacking ground targets too), the 3rd being a new loopable drill move with good damage. her mp gain is on par with DW’s old MP gain (cause DW now seems like her mp gain tripled). CN is gonna get harder to fight as she loses HP now. her tesla is also one solid ranged hit. other than that, she’s mostly the same.
didn’t see much on CeM but her combos also give decent air crowd control. some of her skills got OP range and with both assistants summoned, it’s gonna be hell to fight her.
CBS got buffed, big time. needles don’t need the hitstun given what they can do now (it’s hard to describe but they hurt more and for longer now). her tesla is like a whip hitting targets in a line. 1000 star can let off more orbs and EH makes it broken. combos seem meh, but she got enough as is.
also, eve’s core laser now returns mp when it goes off. skill cost discounts anyone?
IP got practically DL’s air movement now (and it can derp dive BEHIND YOU. KOG got hard-ons for derp dives lately). he’s got an evasion leap sending him backwards. his skills sadly got new looks mostly, don’t expect much.
DC got a mini comet crasher as a combo. and his previous bullet spamming at they sky points forward. his bullets can also richochet to mobs of different heights if they’re close enough. skills practically seem the same too, but some are altered slightly.
TT got BUFFED. he’s got a double nade throw combo now (his old air grenade combo can throw a second one). given faster siege, you know what that means. his mark skill seems to do less hits but more damage. big thing is the red ammo. 1 blue ammo used is one red… plus cannon strike reloads everything. tactical field is back to it’s former glory too, so the skill has the stoic and mp gain again.
overall, it seems as though there’s no nerfs again. expect the biggest threat classes to get buffed as well soon.
and we have to officially say goodbye to 3 great buffs, tolerance, blessed, and victory aura. a moment of silence for of the game’s best auras…
oh, forgot to mention that queen’s throne now can be recast when it wears off. seems like magical makeup is the only skill that can’t do that (getting 78/99 secs at best going by duration/cooldown
cbs got nerfed hard
her EH and kugel become useless now
cem skill % got nerfed
many cn skill got nerfed except blackhole and she can regen mp very fast now
kugel, not sure since i didn’t see it much. but how the hell is EH nerfed hard? EH still fuses all modes for a decent amount of time, that’s all you ever need it for since damage racks up fast on CBS anyway…
well I said too much about EH become useless
EH duration and mp gain was reduced
kugel % was reduced and use more mp
all of her SA % was reduced to 60%-70%
seems typical given previous revamps
90% of skills got a duration and/or effectiveness cut in some way (if elwiki is right)
this means that before this revamp, most of the skills had a higher cap, even without skill boosts
Oh those poor needles. Lookie here https://youtu.be/0eJKM1tKot8 a CBS running 9-6 on that skill and TS exclusively. OH THE NERFS HOW2SURVIVE THEM T_T
mostly cem just gets bigger hit boxes on skills and CN gets KD reductions added on revamps i i cri evrytim.
cn got something different at least this time.
Welp.. They removed Wonder Wall from TT..
Although unrelated to the recent update, today, August 21st, is the birthday of Knight Captain Elesis!
Here is my ode to today’s special lady:
*Ahem.*
E is for evil.
L is for loathesome.
E is for execrable.
S is for sinister.
I is for indecent.
S is for spiteful.
G is for godless.
M is for malicious.
B is for baleful.
H is for hateful.
C is for corrupt.
A is for abhorrent.
Unhappy birthday, you evil bitch!
DEATH TO ELESIS!
For the love of god, SHUT UP!!!
I SEE NO REAL EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS THAT KOG FAVORS ELESIS AT ALL!
given the constant buffs EM keeps getting, it’s like they favor her…
WS also gets quite a few too…
but i gotta agree with endgame on the fact that elesis (add as well) should be removed since they have far too many exploits at their disposal (some classes more than others)
ara needs nerfed too (more so on the fucking x and ^x spam) and luciel needs tweaked too (some things buffed, others nerfed)
but watch KOG buffs the fuck out them all cause KOG LOGIC..
also, how flimsy a class is on HP and defense don’t mean shit if YOU CAN’T HIT THEM. we can also toss makeup using DW on that cause MORE MP GAIN MEANS MORE MANABREAKS. EVERY class has at least 2 good tools at their disposal (again, some classes more than others) . just takes the right piloting to abuse it. and i truly hate most of ara’s and luciel’s mechanics, along with 90% of what elesis can do (99% in add’s case) because it’s so abuseable.
so yeah, nerf ara, change luciel a lot, and get rid of ALL elesis and add KOG…. if you are smart for once…
i also feel like every class in the game needs nerfed somewhere, but also needs buffed somewhere else. some need nerfed more than others while some need buffed more than others.
if KOG CAN FINALLY USE LOGIC AND FIGURE THAT OUT, maybe we’ll see REAL balance for once.
but given changes so far, only chance of that is modding skills right in PvP (like not having oneshot moves for once… besides hypers cause should be match enders anyway)
If they removed Elesis it’d be like they’re saying “fuck you” to Elesis fans. Same for Add. I’d rather that not happen.
Believe it or not, I can’t use Asura as well as I use Infinity Sword. And as for Add, you CAN hit him, you just have to hit him from ABOVE OR BELOW! The thing is that, not including skills, Add can’t attack above him, EVER, and his only attacks hitting below are air attacks. As long as you’re not on the same elevation as him, for the most part you ONLY need to worry about his skills.
Add’s long reach on commands isn’t the longest-reaching attack in the game, either. Rena can snipe him with her X attacks in a spot where Add just can’t hit her without skilling. And yes, I know not every character has a long-range attack, but again, there’s always a way to get closer to characters with long-range attacks. You just have to actually know what to do instead of just rushing in.
still doesn’t change the fact that he can stall midair jumps or attack midair too (plus DiE can switch places with something or make you do the same. you know what 2 moves i mean).
the best way to deal with add is honestly from a distance but all 3 still have moves (LP and DiE can also use a combo) that can get you from far away.
besides, the really good players are good at movement (i really leared how to move using teleport and other classes with a double jump). and good luck hitting good aisha now that teleport can start as low as 2.5 MP… teleport spam will still need 3 rapid teleports to add up, but you really need 1 good one to get away, and i do that a lot on my VP and DW (more so on DW cause she has another direction to use).
if you can work the character well, you can not only abuse their mechanics but also move them well. eve, add, and ChA/DL are really good for this (toss IP on that list now). WS, NW, and RG are also good at covering ground if you use their combos right and ara also moves (and attacks) quickly
like i said in my last rant, all depends on the pilot. the tools you have also play a major role, but don’t mean crap if you can’t use them (or someone does it better in ditto matches)
biggest issue i’ve always had wasn’t the characters themselves. each class honestly does look cool in their own right. the issue is the major gap in what they can do.
this was fairly balanced for the most part til ara hit. ara had the advantage slightly (til people used the KD abuse. even i refuse to use x and ^x on my asura cause it’s so fucking cheap). this made them give more and more tools to each additional class… leaving old ones in the dust.
and given revamps lately, some still don’t have much more (CN got better combos and more MP gain mainly, DW got the most broken MP gain in the game boosted more and can staff whack as hard as a WS can kick).
i think all changes so far are decent, but still unbalanced cause some classes really could have gotten more.
if you’re gonna buff everyone overall (and yes, no class got an overall nerf yet), at least buff them to an even level KOG…
Yeah I do think Add being able to stand in midair is a bit much, but at the same time he can’t stay there forever. I do think his triple jump exploit needs to be fixed, though. As for the long-range skills, though, I think almost everyone has at least one skill that can reach farther (some extend the range of your normal attacks).
Asura never connected with me as much as Add and Infinity Sword. Granted I am pretty decent with her, but I doubt I’d get S-Rank with her anytime soon even if I tried. But I think that’s most something people tend to forget when talking about balancing: compatibility.
I’m not sure if you need to be shown a video of the Lanox ending cutscene or an instructional video on how to put on your pants properly.
I already saw that, and as I set multiple times, I’ll bet you that in the TRANSFORM timeline, WHERE ELSWORD KEPT HIS PERSONALITY AFTER ABSORBING THE DARK EL AND ELESIS DIDN’T, IT WOULD BE ELBOY DOING THAT INSTEAD OF ELESIS!
And again with the pants thing? If I was too dumb to put on my pants, I’D BE TOO DUMB TO SPELL PROPERLY AS WELL! Also, you know what the definition of ignorance is? IGNORING MY ENTIRE LIST JUST BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT I WAS WRONG ABOUT A SINGLE SKILL!
that video honestly doesn’t prove shit cause anyone could have been possessed.
have you ever heard of the phrase “spur of the moment”?
I also don’t think that the El Lady would like possessing someone who doesn’t have the mental will to overcome the Dark El.
Hi.
Who’re you?
Dude you have problems… no joke… you sound like you’re seriously considering to plot a terrorist strike on KOG just because of elesis
Gee, my other half sure is closed minded about Elesis. It’s okay to have an opinion, but please tone it down. It’s not like anyone rambles on about the characters you play in the way you do it as of now.
It’s sad that he has chronic OCD
Okay chuckleheads, I’ll give you both one last chance:
http://elwiki.net/babel/?p=1924
If Elesis is not their favorite child, then why did KOG give away Elesis pillows but never any pillows of anyone else? (Not even Eve, the character that saved the game from cancelation.) And why was this Comic World event focused on Crimson Avenger while Diabolic Esper was about to be released, and Asura, also recently released at the time, wasn’t mentioned in the article at all?
Oh, and explain this video while you’re at it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKxwMwn_at4
Chung, Ara, Add, Lu, and Ciel didn’t get this kind of release hype…..
Did Elesis have a LIVESTREAM? ‘CAUSE LU AND CIEL DID!
As far as what happened that day outside the LuCiel livestream, I have no idea.
Also that guy painting Elesis’s face on the dude’s hand doesn’t look like official staff. Also, are you sure those are the only body pillows KoG made? ‘Cause I think I saw an Electra one somewhere.
ooh, a single livesteam, it’s the biggest show of favor EVER!
who are you kidding? if you’re going to argue with his ranting at least have actual ammunition to do so with. otherwise you serve only to make him seem like the reasonable one.
“it’s the biggest show of favor EVER!” When did I claim that?
I wanted to use the other activities that happened on the day that Ciel was revealed but I don’t know of any videos of said events. I also know Add had some kind of in-person event as well, but I don’t know of any videos of anything that happened there besides revealing the VA IIRC. As for Chung and Ara, I don’t know what to say about them.
Let’s look at this chronologically
Asura: July 31st
Crimson Avenger: Aurust 21st
Bable post you linked to: August 24th
Diabolic Esper: September 11th
So Asura’s already been out for three weeks and three days when that post was made and Diabolic Esper wasn’t released yet. Gee, I wonder why they weren’t mentioned?
Oh wait, I just explained why.
add got a voice actor sneak appearace and no one else did
luciel got 2 direct manga chapters aside from the storyline one in eltype
ara had virtually a fucking pet made after her (yes, the kumiho pets are made after her due to Eun and eun was even PORTRAYED as one)
plus servers had thier own things too (like DW being the poster girl for the 3rdd NA anniversary, or the massive eve event cuddles pulled out her ass)
but hey, i guess since elesis came from grand chase, she’s the favorite…
pfft, aisha and rena are based off arme and lire (but thier gc counterparts can’t hold a candle to their els ones). but if amy or dio showed, they’d be the favorite huh?
hate elesis for what she can do (like that FUCKING STOIC), and try not to hate her just to hate her
add got a voice actor sneak appearace and no one else did
WRONG!
Although I was unable to find the video, I did dig up an old image of the (no longer existent) pre-release Elesis hype page:
http://i43.tinypic.com/5a03rd.png
Not only did she get such a video, it had a fucking release date on the main page. It was something they hyped up. They hyped up fucking EVERYTHING for Elesis’ release.
So as usual, you know nothing and are grasping at straws to try to disprove the painfully obvious. Like climate change deniers.
Thank you so much for-a playing my game!
You forgot one thing
THAT’S THE AMERICAN VERSION! AND AT THAT TIME KOG WASN’T EVEN RUNNING THE AMERICAN VERSION! KILL3RCOMBO WAS!
Owait nvm just saw the elswordkreng thing on the bottom right.
But again you ignore stuff just because only a single thing was wrong. How about the Kumiho pets that they made for Ara? Infact NA got an extra Kumiho pet iirc. That’s something that MagicSpice mentioned as well.
Kyn, you forget though. He did say if he has nothing to argue against things he can’t prove wrong, he won’t say anything to them
Though if they really do see her as their love child, they would have done way more exclusive events for her. I would say Elesis has some unfair attention, but not to the point they abandon characters for her.
He also ignored my entire list of skills that I believe Elsword has the better version of just because he thought I was wrong on Mega Slash purely because Elly’s version doesn’t have instant knockdown.
This is completely unrelated to what everyone’s talking about but
Aisha can’t fireball tennis like Arme can, neither can she unli grab(there’s no grab in elsword so maybe an unmotivated reason)
and Rena can’t snipe as far as Lire can with her aiming system
as far as gameplay is concerned Arme and Lire is better than Aisha and Cowti-Rena
Geez. I always thought you were exaggerating when you kept on saying Elesis was KOG’s favorite.
I don’t know what to say after seeing that live event. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a single character other than someone famous like Mickey Mouse get this much attention.
*sigh* because Grand Chase…that’s why… end of story -__-
But HEY you’re completely right! Write a book about it and fill it with all your rants. You’ll make millions, which you can use to buff up your broken Aisha’s to break them even more with broken equipment and stats. That way you wont have to raise your blood pressure over Elesis anymore :)
Going by that, I guess Elsword CN’s love child is Rena.
http://i.imgur.com/DXUerw2.jpg
Because the FANS love Elesis and they knew they would make more of a profit selling her than Eve. Why not Eve? Because most Elsword players have nostalgia boners and can’t get over the fact that Grand Chase is dead so they cling to Elesis like she’s the beacon of hope and all that’s left of GC.
Not only did that Comic World event take place Summer of last year, before they even announced Grand Chase was shutting down…..
Actually, I think that’s all I need to say here. KOG pushing Elesis so hard has always been about KOG’s collective hard-on for her, and no one else’s.
Remember, KOG announced that Elbrat has the most created characters altogether. (Although most of them are abandoned at this point.) And that Add had the most capped characters. (And yet despite his popularity, they didn’t even do anything to try to hype DE at that event. It was all about Elesis.)
Actually, come to think of it, I’m pretty sure KR Grand Chase released Uno on the very same day KR Elsword released DE.
So not only was Grand Chase still alive, it didn’t even get its last major update at the time of that event.
I think the nostalgia boners part still applies, though.
Plus the Comic World event was taking place quite a bit after Asura was already out and BEFORE anyone besides KoG knew about TIME TRACER!
Also I think I need to point out that KOG MADE ELESIS GO INSANE!!!
Lol everyone its like eve this eve that but what about Chung? ppwpp
So I just got around to looking into the CN revamp.
SO MUCH BETTER than the worthless piece of shit that was the DW revamp. But still, just like DW, CN still pales in comparison to her sisters.
Seriously. CE and CBS were already well off. Just like EM and WS (in PVP) were already well off. And yet, most of the buffs are going to them…..
Well, at least CN managed to rise from trash tier after years of being the punching bag….. how are they going to nerf her next week?
CBS was nerfed hard
all of her SA % was reduce to 60%-70% from before
and because she lose EH+x mp gain, she has to spam a lot of pots now
EN+TS mp gain isn’t that good either
https://youtu.be/-xAu3n7HxbE
Poor CBS needs pots to clear rooms without lifting a finger…oh such unfairness T_T
still doesn’t change the fact that CBS is ment to be a damage nuke, still having the tools to do so.
she really was doing godly amounts of damage, so much that my old +8 CBS outdamaged +10 easily, and even some +11 users…
honestly, she needed a damage nerf given the fact that she can still send her entire arsenal at you (you can use mana magic stones for MP gain and I did it on my CBS, well worth the investment)
She already got nerfed. While Needles looks “sick” in some vids and training rooms, it actually does deal low damage in 3v3 pvp. no, really. it deals low damage thanks to the needles hits being divided among the enemy team. it can only deal less than 1/4 of HP at it’s strongest. while it deals low damage, it gives tons of MP to the enemy especially to those who has painkiller title. which is pretty bad. the only thing that it makes it deadly is when you partnered it with TS and we all know TS is the one of those annoying shits aside of sweep rolling and pre-renewal Kugel.
while at 1v1, its hard to maintain mana pool due to the need to mana break whenever you being comboed. at best to use is TS cuz of those mini-electron balls for ez catches, ridiculous homing and a good burst damage when timed right. i would prefer to mana break or just use TS whenever possible than relying to needles to deal damage.
At pve, while it can deal tons of damage, it actually deals damage very slow(slower than sweep rolling). heck boss already dead by being burst down by other players while needles is still dealing damage halfway.
Sweep rolling got nerfed cuz it’s not noted anymore.
Kugel deals low damage compared to the pre-renewal one.
the mana gain from the electron ball was removed. that mana gain is the one that made her OP especially in henir thanks to EH or ECS. I admit she is really OP when she can just spam pots in dungeons but she lacks the MP she needed at spamming her skills at henir.
comparing her to CN when at PvP, CN is way more OP thanks to her mana gain from being hit and that cd reduce depending on the core passive. slap a 2-x set and give tons of awake charge on her and go for skill fest( un-manabreakle GBH and assault spear plsssss~). heck, even at PvE CN is ridiculous.
I main both eves btw…
Except taking damage is something you want to AVOID, especially when you’re not a tank. And Eve’s FAR from a tank.
And even if you decided to take the hits for mana, 2-X’s effect increases your defenses, meaning you take less damage so you get less MP in return.
What are you talking about? I don’t see any changed to Energetic Heart anywhere except for the ability to choose Inovative or Sure-kill 1.
I will give you a cookie this time for not spouting too much nonsense.
DC is nerfed in skill damage/buff duration , like Sharpshooter’s Syndrome, and Shooting Star… Fck. R.I.P Magnum Shot in Deadly Chaser too.
still has gravity defying bullets, easier bullet use, and a mini comet crasher in a combo…
plus QUANTUM BALLISTA LONG NEEDED NERFED (or at least do no more than half an HP bar in PvP. those easy oneshots were not justified by ANY means)
But it’s so easy to doge though. :^( I dont remember the last time I got bombed from a dc.
TT’s playstyle changes from supporting and strategic style to rushing style
Pain of Caladbolg-MP cost reduced ?? still costs 300mp? :v
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