sss says:

People complained because she would literally always have MP no matter what situation you were in. You barely touched her or She didn’t even hit you and she was ready to pull out phantom breathing on you.
Cutting the mp gain should tone her down slightly, but I doubt it would kill her completely. She’s still going to be annoying because of her huge AOE’s that also gives her a crap ton of mana just for using.

thenerfthehorror says:

1. hell stone [mod]
they should reduce the cooldown too because 14s is just as much as most strength skills cd
it has 14s probably because the [original] version able to cast 3 stones, but the [mod] version is only 1 stone
hell stone [mod] cooldown should be reduced to 8~10 just like another tenacity skills cd

2. energy discharge
this nerf is unjustified, especially the mp regen nerf and 1bead mp recovery
150/250 is indeed too much, but 1 bead just 20mp is totally BS
they should adjusted the mp bonus to be even per awakening bead like 100mp per awakening bead for pve and 40~50mp per awakening bead for pvp

lets not forget about rena’s system, nature’s force, that also has similar bonus mp feature upon awakening (https://elwiki.net/w/Nature%27s_Force_System)
only need 3 hits to recover nf by commands/actives, so she only need 15hits to gain all nf
and then, even with just 1 bead, she can recover 75mp instantly (exactly the same amount as meditation)
and all renas use this

energy discharge nerfed this hard, but nf left unscathed?
this feature should just nerfed like Ara’s feature no longer recover spirit energy upon awakening

3. phantom breath
pb have shitty skill delay that kog (or everyone) may unnoticed
the skill delay ended before first hit, the opponent able to move but she still in casting animation and cannot move (still in invicibility), pulling effect appeared the same time as the first hit

if the opponent didn’t received flinch/hitstun before pb is casted, or didn’t get stuck in difficult place (like bottom right/left in elysion map), they can escape this skill before it hit them, for example like shadow strafe, etc. or by using special actives, or defend yourself with stoic to avoid get rekt easily

if you want to confirm this yourself, just try it against pvp npc in 1v1, or sinister intent npc, because they move aggresively and no lag caused by party/opponents, so you can see it yourself that they move before actually get hit

even with this flaw, pb still can be used against those derp divers (because no dash cancel during derp dive), so they should blame themselves if they just derp diving tactlessly and get caught by it
so yeah, phantom breathing is a joke that works only against inconsiderate players

kog should fix this shitty skill delay

4. gravity ball mp gain
since this ominous update still not reaching my server yet, i also checked the gravity ball mp gain
and yes, it’s just like frost confirmed, gravity ball mp gain is average
in fact, gravity ball mp gain = fireball mp gain

so, if gravity ball mp gain is the same as fireball mp gain, how did oz gain mp from gravity ball quickly?
because she spams gravity ball platform sweep rather quick, at least quicker than aes fireballs and meta starballs
but she need that speed to avoid target knocked down because gravity ball did short launch/lift in knocked down state and this is her form of platform sweep, so that speed is pretty much needed
that gravity ball platform sweep is at least more difficult and required some practice than just XX looping (which is slow and boring)

they shouldn’t nerf gravity ball mp gain, but fireball and starball should be revamped to be as fast as gravity ball spams, so those 2 also able to perform platform sweep as fast as oz

En. says:

So far, the only reasoning you have given to go against the nerf of something is… “These 5 classes are better in this ONE aspect, why nerfed it on OS?”

However, OS has that one “high average”/”strong” point, together with like 3 or 4 more.

Those classes you mentioned don’t go around burning people’s MP and resetting their KD with a single command. Yeah, OS are kinda crippled during the first… 30 seconds (?) of the match. But then she becomes a nightmare for the other team. Specially when one team dies completely and the OS has a lot of time to stand there charging MP and even using her system.

Did you see the video I shared above? in there, it was 1v1 matchs and their oponents wouldn’t let them stand still to charge MP, and they still managed to spam like crazy and didn’t allow them to mana break.

OS has:
Good MP gain (not the best, but better than some classes)
MP Burn (The best in the game)
Skills with good area/large hitbox
High max MP

The fact that THIS ONE CLASS is better in THIS ONE ASPECT, and THAT OTHER CLASS, is better in THAT OTHER ASPECT doesn’t mean too much. And fact is, you’re being kinda biased.

In one of the examples you gave above regarding the MP gain nerf, you said that Black Massacre just needs 10 (dash)X to get a large amount of MP… But did you know the HIGH KD that command has? pretty sure most Black Massacre’s player are unable to do that unless they stack Wind IV and the oponent is out of date and didn’t get element resist on their gear nor ERP. However OS could get that insane amount of MP you said, not only without increasing the KD, but also reducing it.

I mean, you might think that everyone is dumb for complaining about this one class that YOU think is not that good. But so far in both KR and NA(I don’t know about other servers), people complain, and if it were something like “they just don’t know how to play against OS!!” then it would have been resolved over time, but OS has been a pain in the ass for a long time now, so, pretty sure that with so many players, some would have learned a way to play against this one character that has been out for quite a long time, but so far, that hasn’t happened.

En. says:

O M G

Why would KD be relevant during a conversation about MP Gain? What was I thinking??

It doesnt matter that a command gives 12mp but KDs with just 3 to 4 loops.
The fact that it gives 12mp for just one loop means that it is better than the one that gives a little less, but can be looped forever.

As for being an completele delusional person that’s unable to reason consistently. Well, right back at you, that video that you are degrading, is showing exactly the main points in this whole conversation. It doesn’t matter if it is against unranked people or against people at SSS rank(they are included in the video too), the whole point was that, once they were cornered, they wouldn’t be able to manabreak nor would they get knocked down, because the OS would:

1. Reset their KD with a command that also gave her more than average mp.
2. Burn their MP with a skill that uses 200mp, which is restored quickly with the command mentioned above. (and the mana drain active)

Just those 2 points alone are more than enough to do a infinite combo that can kill the enemy without giving them chance to do anything.

There is also the fact of catching again once the enemy (by mistake) got knocked down and is just getting back up. OS has two great skills to do that, and they are quite costly, so an indirect way to “nerf” this and the 2nd point mentioned above, is to reduce the character’s MP Gain.

You are just blinding yourself and calling an idiot every person that tries to tell you the truth.

And it is a well known fact that when someone’s arguments take the form of personal attacks and name-calling it’s a pretty clear admission that they don’t have anything valid or worthwhile to say.

Rei says:

If you look at SOLELY mana gain, then yes, you are right. HOWEVER! You are not looking at the ENTIRE picture, and THAT is where you are WRONG.

p.s: I don’t even play the game anymore and even I can tell it deserved a nerf.

Frost says:

God tier… So – like Black massacre, Richter, Minerva, Shakti or code Sariel? Nice meme.

Xamy – it’s not salt, when I’m bringing facts that shows, why that crazy nerf was unreasonable. Salt – is when you’re getting personal – assuming me to be noob or unskillful, instead of counterarguments, and without leaving the topic. You also was pretty rude with Mun, talking same way. It’s so childish, what’s next? You would also call everyone to a pvp duel to prove your point.

About hating – my reasoning is directed to reveal disbalance and problems in character. Keep in mind, that doesn’t mean blind buffs or making character OP. That means to make character feel fun and rewarding for imagination. So it’s actually loving, not hating. Not so long ago you was saying, that OS just unpopular… Well-well – so hard to guess why. On the other hand – the way you always trying to misrepresent OS leads to perception of myths and delusions in part of community, that doesn’t play OS. And all that leads to unreasonable nerfs, that killing and turning off from character more and more people. That’s actually what looks like hate, right, Xamy?

And yes – I appreciate your order and the next blind statement that I know nothing about OS. But sadly for you – I can, and I will talk about OS, if I’ll feel I want to.