Talk:Pale Pilgrim/Archive 1

Pale Pilgrim's Weapon

Is it safe to call his sickle Clamor if he passed away? In my personal opinion, I feel as it should just be classified as a sickle other than Clamor himself. Kipp (talk) 20:54, 9 February 2021 (EST)

Broken Sickle

Okay so we know that Clamor is no longer in the sickle, but where in the heck did the idea that Clamor was never sealed in said timeline come from? The past already happened and can't really be changed from that far back since Noah himself was sealed for 500 years and wasn't even born when Clamor was sealed. Not to mention that the pendant only sends back in time as opposed to add who needs coordinates to specifically go back to HIS timeline. We know that there are other timelines and worlds but there's absolutely nothing that suggests that the pendant takes him to another world. I mean it seems more likely that in protecting Noah, Clamor basically sacrificed himself in order to have enough power to do so. Given what we know, Clamor can use low level spells such as firebolt and magic missile as a sickle (and he says that they are unsatisfactory which should be an understatement considering he was a magic scholar and should be able to use magic on the same level as Aisha before losing her powers to the ring). And from the translations of Pale Pilgrim, he used a protection spell just before the moment when Noah is supposed to die and go onto his third loop. If the translation is correct then that would require Clamor to use more power than he's supposed to be able to use. Plus Noah asks Yuria to unseal it to which there was no reaction. The same thing happened in canon except Clamor had to undergo whats basically a system update so it took him longer to wake up. Can't forget that prior to the 3rd loop, Clamor himself was attacked before the mansion fell on top of Noah. So given all that, it seems definitely possible that external factors can impact Clamor negatively. Its just hard to believe that a timeline scenario is at play here Sonicow (Talk) 16:34, 10 February, 2021

- the emphasis is more about the crack pendent, which allow noah to go back to a specific point of his time. since it not working as intended, there is a chance that he didnt jump back to that specific point and ended up in an alternate timeline. About the canon vs this scenario; both happened the same way, canon sickle has eye intact, pale sickle is cracked. the logic that the crack eyeball is doing a system update is kinda not the case for this.

- I definitely understand what you're saying, and I wasn't trying to suggest that Clamor is simply taking longer than usual to wake up. After all, he's still gone after Nyx Pieta. I was merely using that as an example that external factors can affect Clamor. Well for now, I'll just wait till one of our Els translators comes out with their professional translation