Talk:Innocent/Archive 1
Chevalier trivia is biased
chevalier trivia was changed to say it was more noble because it represented an ideal "christian warrior" when ciel is not a christian (he's a lucielian) and also thousands of [innocent] and unrelated people were murdered during the crusades because the "chevaliers" believed they were doing gods will and would be forgiven. and while nobody can know gods take on it they were generally pardoned by the catholic church, making them "innocent"
also adding the word "rather" into the first trivia point about the ironic nature of the innocent name is unnecessary, as it's not rather ironic, it's completely ironic. the trivia looked good before but now an opinion has been injected into it.
- A crusader is a christian chevalier but a chevalier is not necessarily a crusader. But I agree with what has been said upwards, Innocent’s title has to be understood with having in mind crusades.
Is a chevalier really noble? I don’t think so. Apart from the adoubement ceremony (what English calls accolade) and the feudalism system. However Ciel is dedicated to Lu, so Ciel is the vassal, Lu is the overlord according to the feudalism system: the chevalier (vassal) swears an oath to his seigneur (overlord) --Antiaris (talk) 01:31, 29 December 2017 (UTC)- to that point, present day catholocism (and history in general) frowns upon the crusade era as a dark time of human ignorance (it's not called the dark ages for nothing) so only somone with a poor understanding or incredible bias would say that being a chevalier (at least in the context of lu/ciels job path) is noble.
--Regardless of the connotations it received during the Crusades, Chevalier is simply the french term for Knight. Nothing more than that, plain and simple. It's not like we have a massive detail about Noblesse other than it simply being french for a noble. I can remove any notions of noble or christianity or the elite or what have you if you so wish, then it's 100% unbiased. I'd also like to point out that the 'christian' thing was just what the term Chevalier referred to, not what Ciel is (also, lucielian? scuse me?). I mean, Ara sure ain't Hindu/Buddhist/Whatever else she's gotten for her names haha. --ED Senne (talk) 11:37, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- A lucielian is a made up religion from elsword that is the specific worship or following of Luciela r. Sourcream (it was more or less a joke on their name) and that edit you made is fine, it just bugged me that it said a chevalier was more noble, which is pure opinion on the editors part as to what is more or less noble than whatever is being compared to (in this case a goddess, which from their respective religions tend to be treated as can do no wrong, regardless of what they are the god/goddess of) projecting a lens of specifically christian judgement on the whole thing.
