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FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

Quoted from Noah's Chapter 5 Story Quest "Righting the Wrong": Yes! I still have the power of the Moon that the imposter injected in me. Even if it mutated just like my power of Darkness, the fundamental property of regeneration should still remain.

Noah's main story path is Liberator, so since his moon power is mutated in that path as well, his moon power wasn't mutated by Clamor's Celestial Magic.

Edit: It's also a mention that the Order injected the moon power into him.

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

The order injected a liquid into him... which mutated his power of moon also. There is no explicit statement that says its SUN POWER.

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

Stellar Caster discovered that the moon power mutated because of sun power. I already explained why it can't be the celestial magic Clamor taught him.

Edit: Also, he used that knowledge to manipulate time, confirming it's the same time-altering ability causing his loops.

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

Noah Chapter 3 Story Quest: Dark Side states that Noah was in bedrest since he received the power of the moon, and we know he was bedridden long before the El Explosion, meaning the liquid he was injected with after the El Explosion was intended to be a stabilizing agent, not the mutated power itself.

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

Henir = injected unknown liquid. Noah had low affinity for moon but still has it.
Story quest= reveal that henir injected a mutated version of power of moon infused with power of sun.

Your own quote... "I still have the power of the Moon that the imposter injected in me."

meaning that the liquid injected into him is not the power of the sun

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

Noah Chapter 3 Story Quest: Dark Side

Noah: The El Master receives the purest elemental El energy from the High Priest during their nomination. I think the imposter tried to inject me with the power of the Moon after he received it.
Clamor: Why would he... Never mind that. Is it alright for just anyone to receive the power of the Moon?
Noah: Well... At the very least, it wasn't for me, since I had to be on bedrest after that. My body can't really tolerate the power of the Moon. I could barely hold it in...
Clamor: Are you still ill? Noah...!
Noah: I'm fine now.
Noah: ... I told you, they were conducting a final experiment. I don't exactly know what it is...
Noah: But after that pill they forced me to swallow, the power of the moon I barely held, and even the power of Darkness I already had... mutated.

... Huh. They changed it to a pill... How did I not notice that?

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

Noah stating he still had the power of the moon that was injected to him didn't mean that the power was still in the exact same state as when it was injected, it just means that the power never left him.

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

Noah get power of Moon = bed ridden
Henir dude gives a pill before the explosion = power mutated but noah retain white hair. At this point the pill should be the moon power infused with sun.
El explosion = other henir dude give unknown liquid which cause hair change.

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

actually thinking about it, im starting to think the henir guy that gave noah the unknown liquid was actually misty. She fake poison noah, changing his hair to black to so that the other members wont realize he is a ebalon and brought him to the altar. Meaning the liquid is not actually the mutated power.

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

The imposter got the power of the moon and injected it into Noah, leaving the latter bedridden simply by having it. Not using it, simply having it. Noah is forced to take a pill, which mutated his power of the moon. Noah still has the power of the moon mutated by the pill, but having it no longer makes him ill. Noah mentions the pill in the context of the final experiment.

All of this leads to me believing that the pill itself was the final experiment. And since it was the pill that mutated his power of the moon, it clearly had the power of the sun that Stellar Caster realized mutated his moon power.

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

Hmm, i was under the pretense that the unknown liquid injected into him was the mutation.

At this point im not even sure if the black hair was caused by the sun power

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

I personally think the liquid was retconned into a pill, since he doesn't mention it in-game, but I couldn't find any concrete evidence of it.

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

Based on this video, it looks like Noah had a completely different outfit when he woke up in the temple in the first loop than when he woke up in the second loop. As far as I can tell, this seems to suggest that starting a new time loop overwrites not just his mind, but his physical body as well.

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

Wait, my mistake. I found the full story video and saw that he wasn't wearing the base job outfit in the second loop at the end.

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

And now Liberator's Story Video is showing him waking up with his class' current outfit instead of the one from his prerelease videos...

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

Theres actually no way to prove that physical body changes as his base, 1st, 2nd are all age 15, which could either mean ur theory about overwriting his physical body is correct or he regress to the base age after each loop. As for the clothes is just an oversight because prerelease had no job paths

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

An oversight? Maybe, but I doubt it's because he didn't have his paths at the time. The prerelease video showed him wearing his base job outfit during the first loop and ends at the beginning of the second loop, which is where his in-game story begins. As the backstories of all his 1st Jobs so far mention the fact that he's time looping in one way or another, they all occur partway into the second loop at the earliest.

Well, since Liberator's video is more recent and shows him with his current class' outfit when he wakes up (and even shows a sealed version of Second Revenger's sickle), I think it's more likely that his body is canonically being overwritten when he time loops. But at the same time, I kind of want to wait for his 4th Path's release to see if it offers any definitive proof of this being the case.

Edit: Okay, right after posting this, I remembered that the Nyx Pieta path had Clamor dying at the end of the second loop and not coming back in the third loop, and since Clamor also experiences the time loops due to resonating with Noah's power, this probably could be evidence that the time loops do have some kind of physical effect on the people experiencing them.

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

I think his physical body regress back to the save point. If you compare the backstory of liberator and nyx, nyx died a few more times but is still 16 by the time he reach elrainode. If his body ages while going back in time, he would be older i think.

For the clothes i think is because of the pendant, since that is the thing that time travels. Maybe it pulls back to whatever he is wearing with the pendant. not too sure about clamor tho

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

Huh, I never caught that about Nyx.

Maybe. But at the same time, we don't know how long each of Nyx's time loops were. For all we know, each loop for Nyx could've only been a few days, while Liberator and Celestia had longer loops. There's no real way to tell.

I guess we'll need to wait for his 4th Path to release after all.

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

Another thing that abit wonky is if his physical body go back in time, what about the mortal wounds? Do they magically get healed? Thats why the logical concept for me personally is whatever living being the pendant is holding on to regress back to save point while any non living thing/material get pulled back. That would also explain clamor as its techincally a living weapon and not a living being.

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

Maybe, but that doesn't explain why Clamor got resealed in the third loop... though then again, neither does my idea of his body being overwritten.

That being said, I didn't exactly say that he literally time travels physically (though I will confess that was along the lines of what I was thinking), so hypothetically, if my idea of his body being overwritten is correct, maybe instead of literally pulling his dying body into the past, the pendent merely "copies" his body (like data) as he's dying and changes his body in the past to match.

Shironsaki (talkcontribs)

Clamor body proberly retains the appearance as its the in-animated part. I think his living soul is affected similar to my theory of noah physical body, regressing to the save point. Overall time travel is confusing unless there is an official statement about this.

FlareKyn (talkcontribs)

Okay, now that Celestia's path video is out, I am even more convinced that there's more than just his outfit/sickle being sent back in time, 'cause Second Selection still has his half-black hair when he meets Yuria in the third loop!

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